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04-30-2004, 04:04 PM
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Country:  | The A-36 didn't need escort, it could handle itself in a dogfight, so its better.
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04-30-2004, 10:40 PM
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| Only thing about arguing for the A-36 is that the US abandoned it (plus the A-24 and A-25) when they found out that the P-38, -47, -51 could dive-bomb and do a whole lot of other stuff as well.
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04-30-2004, 11:41 PM
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| Essentially though, dive-bombing was more a German tactic [and Jap], the Allies seemed to 'dabble' in it rather than develop specific aircraft to do it. The German divebombers were well-made for it, easy as falling-off a log-type-of-thing...Most of the Allied fighters had a dive-bomb capability, built-in to training...the Ju88 was a well-developed all-round aircraft and as a dive-bomber, quite 'heavy-duty'...I wouldn't have liked being under one...but it's opposite, the Mosquito, did a nice job of bombing , - target-marking and skip-bombing...plus take-care of itself OK... | |
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05-01-2004, 07:34 AM
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Country: | The A-36 wasn't abandoned, only 500 were ever ordered. It had 4 .50 cal in its wings and two under its nose. It could perform better than most dive bombers but we didn't really use them.
The Mosquito was a precision bomber without diving, so it was better.
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05-01-2004, 11:45 AM
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Country: | i don't know anything about the A-36's stats, was it better than the IL-2 (which i doubt).................
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05-02-2004, 12:49 AM
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| The peformance of the A-36 was much better than the Il-2. It was essentially an Allison-engined Mustang afterall.
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05-02-2004, 05:36 AM
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Country: | i meant more in it's ability to destroy tanks, an IL-2 could desroy many tanks in one flight, beond any other tank-buster.............
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05-02-2004, 01:46 PM
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| Oh, no doubt. An Il-2 had heavier guns, rockets, and a fiendish little bomb, the PTAB 2.5 that was dropped in clusters over the tops of German tanks. For the purpose of tank-busting, nothing else came close.
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05-02-2004, 04:19 PM
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Country: | and unlike it's german counterpart, the stuka, it could hold it's own in the air....................
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05-02-2004, 09:16 PM
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| I've never seen that much about an Il-2 in air-to-air. I imagine it's low speed would be a liability but it was definitely tough to shoot down and that rear 12.7 mm MG packed a whallop.
Oh course, the ultimate Stuka pilot, Hans Ulrich Rudel, was credited with 11 kills in a Stuka, go figure!
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05-03-2004, 01:01 AM
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| Still think the Hurricane IID with twin Vickers 'S' 40mm's, 60 rpg, 2x .303 and a coupla 250lb's [or 500's] were a well-adapted tank-buster/fighter-bomber; they even had rocket-firing Hurri's during the War [Balkans]...bloody versatile, the old Hurricane, and hardy too - That would be my choice.... | |
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05-03-2004, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Gemhorse Still think the Hurricane IID with twin Vickers 'S' 40mm's, 60 rpg, 2x .303 and a coupla 250lb's [or 500's] were a well-adapted tank-buster/fighter-bomber; they even had rocket-firing Hurri's during the War [Balkans]...bloody versatile, the old Hurricane, and hardy too - That would be my choice.... | WOAH THERE!!! it was 15 rpg and the 7.62mm's/.303cals were for sighting only (you cant afford to miss after all) and the "D" when equipped with the "S" cannons couldnt carry any other underwing (or fuselage) ordanance. Fw-190 has got to be the best (it could even carry a torpedo or a 4000lb bomb, thats how versatile it was!) | |
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05-03-2004, 01:40 AM
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| Oh, it was much faster too...My source states 20rpg -[ I beg your pardon!!]- diving from 5000ft at 254mph at 20-40ft above the ground, they'd start firing at 1000yds, probably getting another two pair off before breaking-away...Apparently the AP rounds were designed to fragment inside the tanks...got a pic here that's got a Hurri jacked & braced to butt-test the Vickers....You're probably quite right about bombs, the bomber version capability was what's quoted - no mention of .303's for sighting, but they'd no doubt be used for defence too...' I was just having a drool....!!!!!! ' | |
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05-03-2004, 01:43 AM
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| 2 .303s would be a pretty meager defense. And while the Hurricane may have been pretty tough, it can't begin to compare with the Il-2.
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05-03-2004, 02:01 AM
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| More manoevrable ???...Hey, I just like the Hurri with 40mm's, the Army liked having airborne artillery...as they needed them at the time , their tank's guns weren't capable of knocking-out the panzers ! - The Il-2 was a very good aircraft in it's role, the Hurricane was an example of immediate-solution to a big problem at that time in the desert.... | |
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