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05-04-2004, 12:34 PM
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Country:  | I imagine it was...ideal for the Soviets...
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05-04-2004, 12:35 PM
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Country:  |  all that vodka, their sight cant have been too great
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05-04-2004, 12:36 PM
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Country: | I don't think having decent sight mattered..just point them in the direction of the hoards of German bombers and away they ram...
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05-04-2004, 12:40 PM
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05-04-2004, 01:27 PM
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#125 | | Hairy one of Old Judea
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Country:  | The Majority of Hartmann's kills were IL-2s.
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05-04-2004, 01:30 PM
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Country: | Exactly, because they weren't invunerable.
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05-04-2004, 01:45 PM
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#127 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but they could dfend themselfs till fighter cover arrived, and when you saw the yak-3s coming, you were in trouble...................
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05-04-2004, 02:15 PM
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| The UBT machine gun on the back of the Il-2 was possibly the most effective rear defense an attack aircraft carried during the war so hang around on the tail of one wasn't the safest thing to do.
I'm not sure what Hartman shot down most, but citing him hardly proves a point. Hartman could have shot down just about anything (he was just that good). The average German pilot would have found the Il-2 a tough kill.
And it's not like the Russians were idiots. Their fighters flew cover for their attack planes just like everyone else did.
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05-04-2004, 02:18 PM
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Country: | The Yak-3s were good but nothing to soil yourself about, well anymore than any other enemy fighter. The Il-2s had a very high loss rate, to AAA and enemy fighters.
They were concrete sitting ducks...but a very good tank buster.
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05-04-2004, 04:06 PM
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Country: | probably the main reason why most of hartmanns kills were il-2's was because there was so bloody many of them
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05-04-2004, 04:22 PM
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| That's true. The Russians built something like 35,000 of them. It's reported that Stalin said the Red Army needed Il-2s like it needed bread.
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05-04-2004, 04:29 PM
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05-04-2004, 04:31 PM
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| I had never seen an exact figure, just 35,000+. I appreciate the info.
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05-05-2004, 07:30 AM
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Country: | Simplicity and numbers was also the Soviets speciality.
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05-05-2004, 09:55 AM
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| Yeah one of the Soviet generals (I don't remember who) said, "Perfect is the enemy of good enough."
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