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Old 11-30-2004, 02:05 PM   #271
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the battle of the bulge was the battle when the Germans lost..................
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:00 PM   #273
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The allies would not have waited though they would not have let him do that
actually we were determined to stay out of the war as long as possible, it was only because we pleged that we would help defend belgium if they were invaded thet we came into the war....................
No.

Britain and France had a treaty with Poland, which they honored. When Germany invaded Poland, both Britain and France declared war on Germany. The Germans didn't invade the low countries and France until several months later. Britain did conduct some minor air operations against Germany during this period.

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In Principle the Bulge was a great gamble that the Germans should have been able to do better with. But they ran out of gas and those green and battle fattiged troops held out for all they had. But the Germans did take a lot of POWs. Then the weather broke, the P-47s dove in and Patten turned north to cut them off
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I like the French country side. I think it is a beautiful country. I just tend not to like the people. I have met some nice French but most of them I did not get along with. The best ones that I have met were the French Soldiers in Bosnia and Kosovo. They were alright from what I could tell, well the junior enlisted and junior officers that is, the higher the rank the more arrogant I found.
The French are fine when you are not in France. But once you go there, they treat you like trash. When they are visiting your country, they think they are doing you some kind of favor.

I had a friend who spoke fluent French who studied there for a year. That summer he had his girlfriend and her sister and sister's boyfriend come out to France for vacation. Constantly the French would pull him a side and say "why are you with these <insult of choice" americans?".

But the true colors of the French are now exposed for all to see.

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So you're basically reinforcing that the world is hating America right now?
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:16 PM   #276
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I like the French country side. I think it is a beautiful country. I just tend not to like the people. I have met some nice French but most of them I did not get along with. The best ones that I have met were the French Soldiers in Bosnia and Kosovo. They were alright from what I could tell, well the junior enlisted and junior officers that is, the higher the rank the more arrogant I found.
The French are fine when you are not in France. But once you go there, they treat you like trash. When they are visiting your country, they think they are doing you some kind of favor.

I had a friend who spoke fluent French who studied there for a year. That summer he had his girlfriend and her sister and sister's boyfriend come out to France for vacation. Constantly the French would pull him a side and say "why are you with these <insult of choice" americans?".

But the true colors of the French are now exposed for all to see.

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So you're basically reinforcing that the world is hating America right now?
Not quite.... this happened over 20 years ago. 40 years ago the French treated American visitors rudely. 20 years ago the French treated American visitors rudely. Let's face it, the French just don't like Americans... after all all we did was send many 10's of thousands of young men and boys to die liberating their country that the lost to the German's in just 6 weeks, why should they treat us with an respect or gratitude?
 
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I don't think their disdain is limited to Americans.
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I don't think their disdain is limited to Americans.
Probably not. They think they are better than everyone. I just cannot see why they think this?
 
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Yeah but RG_Lunatic thinks everyone hates Americans, and that everyone owes America there lives. I really hate saying things like this because I am pround of my American citizenship and always will be, but I dont think anyone owes anything to anyone.
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The curious thing going on in World War Two literature is how information which happens to be public domain has been processed in such a manner it will solely serve the interest of the victors, which of course makes the standard procedure for any victor.

With perhaps the exception of a minority who have read and researched further on the issue, the world has the view (the "truth") Germany was the only agressive expansionist beast loose across the European continent.

There was only ONE agressor who wanted to "conquer the world and exterminate all the non-aryan races of the planet". That is the truth in the mind of the majority of the people. And that is enough for the victors even if they know it is untrue. History tellers and writers have the most important client: the mass, and not that small sample of researchers.

While making a dramatic scenario, the sole view of Europe in 1939-1940 is not only distant from reality, it is laughable.

Ever heard of the Molotov-Ribentropp pact?
The soviets joined the attack against Poland a few days after Germany had begun "the rape of Europe" on September 1st., 1939.

Why did no one challenge the USSR? Dont you think it is strange? Why were France and England so bully on Germany but omitted to display a similar challenge toward the soviets?

Now cutties, please move your fingertip across the calendar which followed: after Poland surrendered, whose country´s offensive (agressive) move followed?

Answer: USSR (SURPRISE! which means it was not Germany).

The USSR started what for the Finnish is known as the "Winter War" in late 1939. Finland hardly had 3 million people at the time, while the USSR had some 160-170 million inhabitants.

Yet, the Soviet army in Finland showed its destiny for the future conflict with Germany, would mostly be one of shortcomings, tragedies, disasters and low quality performance.

The ill equipped, tiny but very brave and intelligent Finnish army inflicted the soviets frightful losses in men and war materiel. Only when the terrified soviets brought in more massive numbers of men and material did the Finns had to end their fight.

So see? The soviet attack against Finland is public domain. You can find it on every book making a general view of the war in Europe. Just as I said here, it is how the information is processed.

What about the soviet swallowing of the three Baltic States? What of Bessarabia and Bucovina which were taken away from Romania? Romania?? Have you ever read of the oil issue, which was fundamental in Hitler´s view? Soviets a midnight walk away from the Ploesti oilfields?

So see the list and you will see Germany was not the only agressor. The USSR was more than active, and willing to export its system to as many countries as possible. )

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P.S. Hey guys, when will you understand America is a continent and not a sole nation?

The name of that country is United States of America.

Brazilians are Americans.
Mexicans are Americans.
Peruvians are Americans.
Chileans are Americans.

The peoples of Belize, El Salvador, Canada, St. Kitts, Surinam..and a very long list of countries form all a continent known as America.

Perhaps geography lessons are becoming very necessary in the U.S.A.?
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LOL Well said Udet. I agree with you fully on the Soviets. And as for the victor writes the History books you are completely correct unless you are RG_Lunatic and then you right the history books. And you are absolutly correct about Americans. I will correct myself in future posts.
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When I first read "why do they hate Americans so much?", my first thought was: "What did they poor Peruvians do to be hated so much? Or the colombians? Or the very poor Argentinians?"

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DerAdler, reading on some other threads, did I read well? Are you currently in Irak? If so, have you seen combat? Or to what kind of unit do you belong?

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i believe he works with blackhawk helicopters...............
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Yeah but RG_Lunatic thinks everyone hates Americans, and that everyone owes America there lives. I really hate saying things like this because I am pround of my American citizenship and always will be, but I dont think anyone owes anything to anyone.
That's not true.

The only thing I think most other countries owe the USA is respect. However when it comes to Germany, Japan, France, Britain, etc... I think some gratitude is also in order because of US post-war financial generosity. When someone gives you 10's of billions of 1946 dollars that is deserving of gratitude don't you think?

And I think this is magnified with respect to Germany and Japan, because they were our enemies in WWII and we forgave them for their actions immeadiately and rebuilt their countries. You act like we owed this to them for beating them.

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The USA forgiving Germany for its actions??

May I know what kind of offense Germany conducted against the people of the USA?
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