The P-108/B-17/Lancaster Thread

[plan_D]

With the Technology being the same, we would have never lost, even without Russia. Russia destroyed their land army, but what good is a land army when you can't get it on enemy land?

The BoB ended before Operation Barbarossa, and the British were out-producing the Germans in aircraft, plus we were blockading the North Sea and keeping the Atlantic open.

The Russians were planning to attack, or at least defend their land in 1942. They were modernising their military to be ready for 1942, that's why I always say it was much better for Germany to attack in June 1941, like they did. Although it was the British that saved Russia, since they attacked the Germans in the Balkans making them divert forces from the Eastern Front and postpone the invasion of the USSR which lead to the attack going into winter. Had we not distracted them they would have attack in May and avoided the Russian Winter because they would have smashed more (I would say most but if you like at the stats they did destroy most, of a 28,800 tank arm the Soviets were left with 1506 in July '42) of the Red Army, and won.

People always think I'm disrespectful of them when I say that, but I'm not. It didn't happen like that and the Soviet Union was a great ally and bled the Wehrmacht dry on the ground.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

but some would argue that the blitz and the BoB were finished because the germans started to turn their attention to the eastern front............

[Gemhorse]

I think Hitler suffered from Attention-Deficent-Disorder, and that made a difference...

[plan_D]

They should read the directives Hitler gave then Lanc. Hitler called off BoB in 1940 unofficially, 'postponing it until a later date' and it was then cancelled in 1942 officially. In between this time we had started the 1000 bomber raids, attacked in the Balkans and North Africa.

He cancelled it a year before going to Russia. He'd been defeated by the RAF and he knew it. He was always going to attack Russia, but Hitler was stupid but not stupid enough not to realise leaving Britain there would be his downfall, well he had that idea in 1940...then he kind of forgot after we beat him and he was charging across Russia.

[plan_D]

Something is wrong with this B-17..but I don't know what...HAHAHA

[the lancaster kicks ass]

there's always something wrong with B-17's, but the pic don't work..........

[plan_D]

Damn it... ...well it was just a B-17 falling out of the sky with one of its wings off....

[cheddar cheese]

ive posted that pic before, its in the picture album

[the lancaster kicks ass]

ironically both the pic's i've put in the album have been of shot down B-17s............

[plan_D]

I have loads of pics of all different B-17s and even a few pics of the YB-40 (B-17 Gunship) also this pretty cool one of a B-17 in front of an original style B-52s wing, but I need to get a scanner

[cheddar cheese]

ironically both the pic's i've put in the album have been of shot down B-17s............

back in your good ol' b-17 bashing days eh lanc

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i'm past all that now, unsted of making the B-17 look bad, i'm now just making the lancaster look really good...............

[cheddar cheese]

*cough* when it quite clearly wasnt *cough*

[the lancaster kicks ass]

yes it was, you said yourself it was a good bomber...................

[cheddar cheese]

yeah but it doesnt have the defenses or the damage tolerance to make it a GREAT bomber