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05-02-2004, 04:02 PM
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Country:  | no, the b-17 is my 3rd fave american plane  the lightning was a superb plane
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05-02-2004, 04:07 PM
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Country:  | may i ask what your second favourite is..................
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05-02-2004, 04:08 PM
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| I can't make that call either way. A Fort couldn't bomb at night and the Lanc couldn't at day. But during their respective arenas (day/night) they were both superb.
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05-02-2004, 04:12 PM
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Country: | whilst that is a valid pint, ,i think that the lancasters stats atleast make it out to be a better plane...............
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05-02-2004, 05:39 PM
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Country: | nope, i fell the b-17 was better than the lancaster
btw, 2nd is the b-29
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05-03-2004, 12:25 AM
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| Being the champion of the P-38 that I am . . . I feel the need to correct some information from a couple of pages back. I'm not sure were the common 414 mph top speed came from but it doesn't make sense to me. the L model had an extra 250hp at WEP. According to the chart below, the L would have topped 440mph and could outrun a P-51D from about 15,000 feet up. | |
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05-03-2004, 05:47 AM
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Country: | The Lightning and Mustang were both great planes, but the Mustangs role isn't overplayed. It was the first thing getting the bombers to Berlin and back, the Lightning was a brilliant aircraft, and a great interceptor but the Mustang was the center point of escorts, the Luftwaffe wasn't completely destroyed you can ask B-17 crews about that.
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05-03-2004, 10:22 AM
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| I've mentioned on here somewhere before that it was the P-38 that was the first Allied fighter over Berlin. In every theatre, besides Europe, it was considered to be THE fighter and its replacement in Europe was mostly an economical decision.
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05-03-2004, 01:40 PM
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#234 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but only half way through the war the lightening was outdated...............
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05-03-2004, 02:46 PM
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| The Lightning was never outdated. I think it says something that an Allison-engined Lightning could hang with a Merlin-engined Mustang.
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05-04-2004, 07:20 AM
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Country: | The Lightning being the first fighter over Berlin doesn't mean anything towards it being the better one. The Russians bombed Berlin before the Americans, are you going to say they did more damage?
It's not only getting there, it's protecting the bombers on the way. Combat uses up more fuel than a standard full cruise flight.
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05-04-2004, 07:29 AM
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Country: | it's like sayin that in the BoB the 109s had 10 minuite of fuel over london before they had to turn back, but many would often use up fuel before they even got to london................
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05-04-2004, 07:44 AM
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Country: | Exactly but it was 15 minutes loiter over London, well that's what I read.
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05-04-2004, 10:52 AM
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| I've seen both the 10 and the 15 min about the 109s in the BoB. My point was that a huge deal is often made about the P-51 escorting bombers "all the way to Berlin." Well it was not the only Allied fighter capable of doing so.
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05-04-2004, 11:19 AM
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Country: | Yes, but it did it the most. And I see it as the most ideal one.
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