Peace protesting must be stopped!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

Dont got to far with that Lanc. It was the British we fought in The Revolutionary War because of your country trying to take over. (Or what you call it) "No Taxaiton without representation!" If you guys guys had one we would be saying "God saved the Queen" and all that other stuff.

PD allready covered it but the British were not trying to take over. The US did not exist at the time. They were colonies of England and the colonists started a revolution and then they declared indepedence and then came the US.

As for the French in some of your other postings dont take me wrong I am not a fan of the French either but dont forget that the US would not have won the Revolutionary War without help from the French and hell dont even forget Von Steuben the German who trained George Washingtons Army. His "Blue Book" is still the basis for our Army disciplin and Drill and Ceromony.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Go tell the Highlanders that got slaughtered at Culloden that they ruled England. And the current Royal Family is German - or was German. They're all inter-bred freaks anyway.

Well, I think the Queen Elizabeth II herself has some Scottish blood...

But I didn't know about that part of History. I knew there was a revolution in England in the 1600s - 1700s, but I didn't know Scottish also revolted.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would not know. As pD has said they are all inbred and not just the British Royalty the hole royal families from all over the world. They married off there cousins and daughters to other countries as a form of treaties and hoping that it would prevent war or get them a foothold in there country.

[P38 Pilot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

In what numbers? I think this is being confused with demonstrators. I still like to see a reference to the us selling arms to Germany in both world wars (Especially WW2)

I think the United States sold about 500,000 Maxim Machine Guns to both Britain and Germany. Now for WWII I didnt even know we sent weapons to them. I do know that we bought the design of the Springfield 03 rifle from the Germans.

[trackend]

The Scots have been revolting for years M
The Pict's where the original Scots then a crowd of guys came over from Ireland and duffed them up so many of the Scots ended up with Irish ancestry also in the Lothian/mid Scotland area recent DNA testing has shown most of them are decended from Danes and Angles.
Its been a mi-sh mash affair in Britain for hundreds if not thousands of years the Clans had punch ups long before the English even stuck there noses in.
The thing I always found hard to fathom is if the English was so hated how comes Stuart held his power base in London and did not even contemplate moving it up to Scotland when he came too power perhaps he was just as greedy as all the other monarchs and knew where the wealth lay.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

I think the United States sold about 500,000 Maxim Machine Guns to both Britain and Germany. Now for WWII I didnt even know we sent weapons to them. I do know that we bought the design of the Springfield 03 rifle from the Germans.

I found no evidence of this, but here's agood site about the Maxim:
http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/machineguns.htm

[P38 Pilot]

I did a report in 6th grade once by going to that website. Its very well made but i am telling you the truth and I saw this on the History Channel. (By the way I love History Channel!)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

I think the United States sold about 500,000 Maxim Machine Guns to both Britain and Germany. Now for WWII I didnt even know we sent weapons to them. I do know that we bought the design of the Springfield 03 rifle from the Germans.

No actually the Springfield 1903 was an American design and not baught from the Germans but you are close though my friend.

The story of the 1903 comes from the German Mauser Model 93 rifles. The US was very impressed by this weapon which was used by the Spanish during the Spanish American war. It was superior to the Krag-Jørgensen rifles that was standard issue for the US Army. So the US designed a weapon similar to the Mauser and the prototype was built in 1900 and the production began in 1903 giving it the name the Springfield 1903. Because of the closeness and the pretty much copy of the Mauser 93 the US paid royalties to Mauserwerke until World War 1 and a settlement was reached in the Armistance.

[Maestro]

Okay, after a little search on the Internet, I didn't found any specific data about USA selling weapons to Germany in WW II.

However, I heard that in my "History of the 20th century" course in Secondary 5. So I may be wrong.

Any help on that subject is welcome. And I want to apologize if I'm wrong.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Okay, after a little search on the Internet, I didn't found any specific data about USA selling weapons to Germany in WW II.

However, I heard that in my "History of the 20th century" course in Secondary 5. So I may be wrong.

Any help on that subject is welcome. And I want to apologize if I'm wrong.

No sweat Maestro - we know that the US sold arms to the allies in WW1 and WW2 in massive quantities before involvement. I know Germany might of purchased arms in the 1930s but the minute WW2 began all bets were off and US support was evident.

I would think that Germany might of gotten some stuff in the beginning of WW1 but I'm sure that changed quickly especially when german plots to have Mexico invade the US were uncovered.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am sure that Germany used allied weapons possibly secured before WW1 and they probably got weapons from retreating allies in the beginning of the war but I doubt the US sold them weapons. The US practically was non neutral/neutral state before they entered the war. They clearly supported Britain and the allies but were just non beligerents before Dec. 7, 1941 and even that is not completely true as they defended convoys against U-Boots inside US territorial waters before Pearl Harbor even happened.

[plan_D]

The U.S supplied weapons to Germany in World War 1 - that much is true. The British used to stop U.S supply ships going to Germany, take the crew and sink the ship. Germany however had declared "total war" which meant that they would just sink U.S ships without removing the crew - that was one of the reasons the U.S joined the Great War. Along with other reasons, of course.

In World War 2 the U.S did not supply Germany. Roosevelt was supporting Britain as a beacon of light in the fight against fascism. FDR wanted to secure democracy - he would not supply any foe of democracy! Germany, again, declared "total war" in World War 2 and U.S merchantmen were sunk without warning. That made the U.S escort their supply convoys to Britain inside U.S waters and sometimes even further out which was against their neutrality! But that didn't get the U.S involved in the war - we all know what did...

[FLYBOYJ]

Lets not forget that Curtiss Dive bombers were procured by Ernst Udet for Germany in the early 1930s.

[plan_D]

The world didn't know what Germany was becoming then. They still believed it to be a democracy - except Churchill, who stated in 1934 that Germany was the next big threat against peace.

Germany didn't become a fascist state until 1935 - and was only under Nazi rule from 1933. Do you know the exact year the Curtiss Dive Bombers were ordered? And did they see action during World War 2?

[FLYBOYJ]

1933 - He saw a demonstration of dive bombing and was very impressed. 2 Curtiss Helldivers were purchased and shipped back to Germany.