Peace protesting must be stopped!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 05:34 AM

Well basically here you have it, the Middle East has been doing this over and over throughout history. They believe that the western world is the Great Satan and that our views are all but wrong. It will never and unless we our selves do something about it. Nostradamous predicted that the Camels will drink from the Rhine River. The Otommans did it and if we are not carefull it will happen again. The only thing we can do is take the fight to them which we are doing. Will this stop it all, probably not, they are fanatics and nothing better. However atleast this way we are making a statement that we will not stand for it anymore. If you do not wish to live in peace, if you wish to kill our innocent woman and children then you will be slaughtered and burned. Nothing to me is more fitting than this.

As for these "terrorists" saything that they are "Freedom Fighters". They are cowards and nothing more. If they do not like us then they should stand up and fight our military like men, rather than kill woman and children and run away. They are bastards and cowards nothing more and they deserve nothing more than a cowards death. It really is funny how they have no problem walking into a pizzaria like les said and blowing up woman and children but as soon as one of there woman is killed they protest that we are tyrannts and baby killers like there woman and children are worth more than the rest of the worlds.

As for the IRA discussion up there. I agree with what the IRA was trying to achieve however I do not agree with how they were going about it. In the end they were no better than the muslim terrorists in the fact that they used terrorism to kill innocent people to get there point accross.

Pisis · 07-06-2005, 09:40 AM

Very interesting discussion, gentleman! You all seem to be well educated. Thumbs up!

My sympathies are on Erich's side. The State of Israel has a legal right of existence since:

---The Jews who came to the region has bought Arabs' (aka Palestinians - there were no Palestinians before 1948!) land for hardcore dollars, settled there and made it look totally different from the surrounding area (it's enough compare if you cross the border from Israel to Egypt, for example...)

---When the SI declared its independence, it was attacked by all neighbouring countries. The Israeli Army (IDF) defeated them all and so reached some new land

---The Arabic people started to escape to these neighbouring arabic countries, but all of them closed it's borders (the only excerpt is Lebanon, I think). So over 1 Million Arabs - now palestinians - had to stay in these so called Refugee Camps (but which are normal cities though)

---In other conflicts, mostly non-provoked by Israel, the IDF again gained a lots of territorial incomes. He gave it back, mostly.

So how could someone call this an occupation? IMHO if someone provokes a war and loses, you have legitimal right to keep the gained territory on your own. Or no?

Some more:

---plan_D, you wrote something about South Africa and Eastern-Southern Jews came to the region. That is truth, but also many 100,000's came from the Western Eu and US. The very fighting ability streams up even in the WWII (eg. in the Czech Army in USSR, majority of the soldiers were Jewish. In Czechoslovak Squadrons in RAF, over 80% of the personell was Jewish, etc...). This fact, together with material help from its Allies (it's not uninteresting that the only country who helped Israel in 1948 was Czechoslovakia - most of the former RAF Spitfires from Cz. fighter sqdns were sold to IAF, then over 20 pcs of Czech-built Messerschmitts Bf 109G/K (aka Avia S-199 Sakyin) as well as training and lots of ammo and guns) made all the regional conflicts help to win.

---IMHO what Erich says about Arabs, that they're cowards, it's not direct. Mouth full of **** is their national pholclore. However, we saw this on Saddam. First he was a honourable soldier, shooting from his rifle, when he was caught, he was just an invalid grandpa. And that is common for many Arabic people. First they shout of killing the Satan, when the action is there, they run away.

---Maybe the "Palestine War for Freedom" is driwen so from some of the "fighters", but on the first of all, it's desperate. If someone tells a 15yo boy that if he blew up in a café, he'll go to heaven where 17 virgins will wait for him and his family will get money, what do you think he'd do. The greatest stumbing-block was (Arafat) and still is the leadership. If Araft wasn't a ************, they Palestinan people would have have their own states 10+ years... We'll see what the current leadership will do. But I'm still doubtful.

Keep this discussion up,it is very interesting. I'll try to get some more involed, since I'm in Eretz Israel now.

Cheers,
Pisis

P38 Pilot · 07-06-2005, 10:04 AM

You are exactly right, Erich and Lesoprimus!!! Jane Fonda is a Communist bit*ch who needs to be crapped on and tortured! Man! She had all those VC around her! I wish we could strapp a bomb to her and drop her into terroist terrriotory and she would blow up and kill some of them!!

Plan D, i think that we are going to have to go to war with the Koreans sooner than the Middle East. The Koreans have nuclear warheads now! They are marching like the Russians did during the Cold War era! If you ask me, after we clear this crisis up over in the Middle East, we focus our Korean neighbors in the West! (Or for those of you in Europe, the East!)

Oh and I hope Micheal Moore dies form a Heart Attack soon because he is a fat, liberal bastard!!!!!

Pisis · 07-06-2005, 10:09 AM

Iran has too Nuclear Weapons, India too, Pakistan too, Israel too...

And yes Michael Moore is a fat bitchy pig and Team America rules!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 10:20 AM

I dont think that we will have to go to war with N. Korea. The old man is going to die eventually and then his people will stand up and what whats better for themselves and that is peace and democracy.

As for the Middle East and Bush's polotics you have to look at this way. You may not like Bush (I dont I voted against him0 however the middle east has been a problem for as long as I can remember and before and not a single president did anythign about it. They turned the other cheak and said let someone else worry about it. Atleast Bush is doing something about it and fighting this cowards back!

P38 Pilot · 07-06-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pisis

Iran has too Nuclear Weapons, India too, Pakistan too, Israel too...

And yes Michael Moore is a fat bitchy pig and Team America rules!

You are right about Iran,India,Pakistan, and Isreal too. But for some reason, the Korean leader, oh... whats his name, wants to show that he has nuclear wepons and seems like he is not afraid to use them. And by the looks of it, he is making an Army and acting like the some of the Communist bastards like Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, and the leader of China during the Korean War. (Sorry im 13 so i dont know all their names yet!)
We are going to have a Korean War II.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 10:47 AM

I seriously doubt that we will see a Korean War II as you call it. Kim Jong II (I think that is what his name is) is just trying to show his power which aside from the iron fist that he is ruling his people with is nothing. His military lacks technology and he does not even have eneogh oil to run his tanks off of longer than lets say 2 weeks at combat operational tempo. He can not even feed his troops. He is just trying to scare everyone and that is about all he has.

In the end he will just die and the people will stand up wanting democracy.

Besides he is not building an Army. He has had one of the largest militaries in the world since the beginning but that does not mean he can do much with it.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 10:49 AM

Besides a friend of mine who just returned from being stationed in Korea says we are not there anymore to protect the S. Koreans but to protect the N. Koreans from the S. Koreans.

lesofprimus · 07-06-2005, 10:55 AM

He does have nukes tho.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 11:07 AM

Yes he does.

Pisis · 07-06-2005, 11:51 AM

The biggest problem, after his death, would be that his team would like to hold still the power. The normal Northern Koreans live in a tale, they have no sense about reality. They think that Kim is a god. If there will be war of if not doesn't matter, the most important would be how the country would behave thrown into reality. They all live in the stone age.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 11:59 AM

I think there would be a power struggle but I think in the end we would see something like what happened in Russia and Romania and in the end the people would win. They dont want to live like that.

Pisis · 07-06-2005, 12:17 PM

I understand, but the problem is they don't know different life... They life in a unnatural world, where Kim is the almighty and they're his servants. One of the escapees said in some interview: "...I didn't believe that Our Shining Star [Kim Jong Il] was going to toilette... It was unbeliavable for me. We trusted he's a god. And there evyrone trusts it..."

Except the high nommenclature... I'd describe that community simmilar to the Egyptian one. They also trusted that Pharao is a god. The cult of personna is so strong there since it's traditional in that region.

But on the other hand, you're right. Eg. in Vietnam, China and really small in Northern Korea, the market capitalism is rising. I read an article about NK a week ago, describing it's local hand-to-hand 'backcourt' markets, where people exchange goods - such as pencils, cups, chicken, etc...

But it will take a long time and many complications until these people would be "normal" again.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-06-2005, 01:16 PM

Look at the former Soviet Union. There people did not know anything else either.

Maestro · 07-06-2005, 10:52 PM

Yeah... As an example, most USSR poeples thought that WW II started in 1942... Because they entered the war in 1942.