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05-01-2005, 03:18 PM
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#181 | | Master of Ewes
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05-01-2005, 03:22 PM
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#182 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Ugh, that post doesnt sound right without the previous posts 
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05-01-2005, 03:45 PM
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#183 | | Master of Ewes
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05-02-2005, 03:50 PM
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#184 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-02-2005, 04:00 PM
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#185 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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05-02-2005, 04:07 PM
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#186 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | This covo went real sour real quick.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-02-2005, 04:08 PM
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#187 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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05-02-2005, 04:14 PM
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#188 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-02-2005, 04:21 PM
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#189 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country: | The lanc should really learn to control his homo-erotic passions. I think he's been listening to too much Franz Ferdinand
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05-02-2005, 04:30 PM
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#190 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-02-2005, 05:14 PM
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#191 | | Senior Member
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What would have happened if The USN carriers had been at Pearl harbour and were sunk?
No Doolittle Raid and no Midway
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05-02-2005, 05:21 PM
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#192 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | The Wasp was on her way over from the Atlantic when the raid took place, so there'd be at least one carrier in the Pacific for the Japanese to deal with. A pretty tenuous hold for the US until more carriers could be built. And if she'd been risked and lost in the Coral Sea, there wouldn't have even been that. | |
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05-02-2005, 05:23 PM
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#193 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Midway would have been taken, no air cover over Guadalcanal, no Leyte Gulf.
Troops could have been landed on Australia or on the East Coast of the US
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05-03-2005, 02:36 PM
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#194 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I dont think it would have altered the outcome of the war. The Doolittle raid accomplished nothing but as a moral booster and a punch right back at the Japanese. It was never intended to cause lots of destruction only as to let the Japanese know that they were coming for them. So if the Doolittle raid had not happened, oh well.
Yes Midway would have been lost and Australia threatened however the biggest thing it would have caused for the Japanese was buy them more time and prolong the war. The Japanese could not have invaded the mainland United States. It was too far of a distance to be able to logistically sustain an invasion force. It would have taken too long for the Japanese to get reinforcements to the United States and then at some point there forces would have become to spread out and would have been easy to defeat them. The main thing it would have been to hard to resupply and reinforce an invasion force over 6000 miles.
As for the Carrier situation. The United States had the recources to build new Carriers very quickly througout the west coast and the east coast. Between 1941 and 1945 alone the United States built 102 Aircraft carriers of Different types.
Large Fleet Carriers
Midway Class - 3 Ships (137 aircraft each)
Essex Class - 24 ships (103 aircraft each)
Light Fleet Carriers
Siapan Class - 2 Ships (48 aircraft each)
Independence Class - 7 Ships (45 aircraft each)
Commencement Bay Class - 19 Ships (34 aircraft each)
Casablanca Class - 37 Ships (30 aircraft each)
Bouge Class - 10 Ships (21 aircraft each)
The United States was able to build these carriers very fast to replace sunk ones, something the Japanese did not have the luxury to do. For instance CVB-41 Midway was laid down in October 1943 and completed March 20, 1945, CV-9 Essex was laid down 28 April 1941 and completed July 31, 1942. That is just barely over a year for the Essex. All of these carriers were built throughout the United States from the Philadelphia Naval Yard to Norfolk to San Diego. There were so many places to build them that the Japanese could not have stopped it.
Basically what I am trying to say is that had the Carriers been at Pearl Harbour all it may have done was delay the outcome of the war. Nothing more.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-03-2005, 03:01 PM
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#195 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Adler is exactly right.
What Japan was capturing was not economy increasing land but just extra land bases and holiday destinations ( ). The Japanese economy just wouldn't be able to stand up to the US economy.
An invasion against the US was out of the question. On any beach head the US would be able to throw everything and overwhelm it purely with numbers.
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