Possible End of the ww2

mosquitoman · 03-21-2005, 12:31 PM

Illustrious launched about 20 Swordfish which sank 1/2 (I can't quite remember) and damaged on or two others aswell as bombing the port area of Taranto

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-21-2005, 12:43 PM

it also forced the italian navy to annother port that was to far from the Med. to be of any use...........

mosquitoman · 03-21-2005, 12:44 PM

They stayed in port most of the time anyway

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-21-2005, 12:46 PM

true

delcyros · 03-21-2005, 02:48 PM

He, Adler, it is not only your family , who pays the bills. My too (and we are from eastern germany). And you would wonder, how much comes to the people. I believe, most goes into infrastructure projects and into the pockets of a very few persons. But I completely agree with your post. One to add: With Galland OKL and Rommel ordering the ground forces, I would likely see some more type XXI submarines, also.
The attack of Tarento was extremely succesful, 21 swordfishs of the HMS Illustrious (12 armed with torps) in two waves, 12 and 9 planes each. Hits have been reported on the italian battleships Conti di Cavour, Caio Duilio and the brand new Littorio. Caio Duilio and Littorio would have been sunk if the water would have been deeper. They have been put out of action for months. Caio Duilio did sank.

hellmaker · 03-22-2005, 07:15 AM

Lanc... Probably the Japs did steal the Idea...but they also improoved it... The British attack was consisted of 2 waves, while the Jap attack had originally been consisted of 3 waves... The fact that the Jap Admiral (Nagumo if my memory serves) only approved to 2 attack is due to the missing most important carriers from the American fleet...They were out of the harbour doing drills(i think), so the Admirall considered that he had done the best he could and decided to withdraw his forces before the americans would be able to engage them... It was a masterplan...even though the americans did know about a Jap attack they weren't able to predict where and when it was due to happen...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-22-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by delcyros

He, Adler, it is not only your family , who pays the bills. My too (and we are from eastern germany). And you would wonder, how much comes to the people. I believe, most goes into infrastructure projects and into the pockets of a very few persons. But I completely agree with your post.

I probably should have written my post differently, I may have come off the wrong way. I dont want you to think I have a problem with East Germany or the people who live in it. I really dont. I just think the reunification was done wrong. Like making the East German Mark 1 to 1 with the Deutsch Mark. I think that at first the borders should have just been opened and the wall torn down. Over a period of years it should have gradually been reunified. This way there is less strain on the people in both Eastern and Western Germany.

hellmaker · 03-22-2005, 09:04 AM

Can I say something??? Adler... Take this from someone who was condemmned to be born in an Eastern Block(Ex Communist) country... The way Germany has evolved since the end of the seccond world war is a model to eastern countries... For example... Germany was at the edge of bankrupcy at the end of the war and now it has become one of the leading ecnomic powers of the world... I consider the german people some the most inteligent humans to walk the planet... I'm not interested in buttkissing, I'm only being honest... My country has been strugleing for the past 16(since the fall of Ceausescu) to become a Western Country, and even though it isn't an Eastern one most Western cultures consider it one of the most poor and undeveloped country in Eastern Europe, which is not quite true... So you should be lucky your country managed to come out clean after beeing torn appart by 2 sepparate wars...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-22-2005, 09:10 AM

Sure, you dont have to ask for permission.

delcyros · 03-22-2005, 01:41 PM

Mark = DMark. Silly, You are right. I was just thinking of some kind of condederation between both german nations in 1990 and a later voting by the peoples could open the way for reunification. That would be much better. (the 1 to 1 change only worked for the first 1000 Mark) My girlfriend did succesfully flee the GDR by swimming 45 miles out in the Baltic sea. And I was in Berlin on the very day the Wall was taken down. Historic. The way it was done politicly opened a source for much misunderstanding between people, which is still present. Anyway I use to have very close friends from east and west, and that is what finally counts.

hellmaker · 03-23-2005, 12:24 AM

Aren't you alltogether the same people... You have the same hystorical background... Us romanians are in a way the same... The Moldova Republic was once part of Romania till Russia stepped in and decided it would take it away... Why? What drives this decisions???

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-23-2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by delcyros

Mark = DMark. Silly, You are right. I was just thinking of some kind of condederation between both german nations in 1990 and a later voting by the peoples could open the way for reunification. That would be much better. (the 1 to 1 change only worked for the first 1000 Mark) My girlfriend did succesfully flee the GDR by swimming 45 miles out in the Baltic sea. And I was in Berlin on the very day the Wall was taken down. Historic. The way it was done politicly opened a source for much misunderstanding between people, which is still present. Anyway I use to have very close friends from east and west, and that is what finally counts.

I was in berlin also the same day! I remember the people pushing down the walls and the hugging and the drinking, it really was a great site. I still have several very large pieces of the wall that I took home that day.

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Originally Posted by hellmaker

Aren't you alltogether the same people... You have the same hystorical background... Us romanians are in a way the same... The Moldova Republic was once part of Romania till Russia stepped in and decided it would take it away... Why? What drives this decisions???

Yes we are the same people, East and West, Germans, however you have to understand that for almost 50 years they were devided. A western philosophy to the west and a Communist East run by a Soviet puppet government. There were different ideologies formed by the people in the East over the people in the west. But the whole time, the desire and the dream to runify was very strong and it was only a matter of time till this happened.

hellmaker · 03-23-2005, 07:20 AM

Yes....that is true... In our case we have been sepparated from the beginning of WW2... It's all the same story... wether we like it or not... but in our case reunification is not understood by all people... Being both countries under communist puppet guvernment in some way we think the same but in other, completely diffrent...this is on of those others...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-23-2005, 07:33 AM

My stepmother actually is a Siebenbuerger Saxon from Romania. They are more German then Romanian though. They come from Brashov (I dont hink I spelled it right). Very neat though, I used to go with her and visit Romania once a year.

hellmaker · 03-23-2005, 08:21 AM

You were very close tough...

... It's spelled Brasov (Brashow auf deutsch)... Nice...

And how did you found Romania...? Is it as unevolved as westeners say???