 | Is Spitfire relly superior to FW-190?| Old Threads Discuss Is Spitfire relly superior to FW-190? in the Old Stuff forums; Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass
you guys realise though how unlikely it is you'll be going into ... |
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05-15-2005, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass you guys realise though how unlikely it is you'll be going into a dogfight and be staying at 400mph for very long?? | That highly depends on the tactics being used. But in an good old classic dogfight, no, they wouldnt even be doing 400mph in the first place, as good old classic dogfights takes place at slow to moderate speeds. Good old classic dogfighting envolves max banking maneuvers, all of wich bleeds speed VERY fast.
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05-15-2005, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass you guys realise though how unlikely it is you'll be going into a dogfight and be staying at 400mph for very long?? | My point in the beginning of this discussion. The D9 pilot would want the fight to remain at high speed (over 400 mph), the Spit would want the fight well under 380, where its maneuverability can be exploited. If the D9 begins to maneuver his airspeed will bleed off, at what rate as compared to the Spit was Soren's and I discussion. Altitude would play a role as both aircraft will perform differently at different altitudes and again advantage/ disadvantages encountered and/or exploited.
In my experience, having the opportunity to participate in mock dogfights in jets, I have found entering the fight with lots of airspeed and fighting in the vertical was the way to go because instinctively we want to turn and stay in the horizontal plane (after all our aircraft basically fly horizontally). The thing to master was managing energy while zooming up and down in the "egg."
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05-15-2005, 05:59 PM
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05-15-2005, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus I think that in any combat situation, whether its on the ground , in the air, or in space with X-Wings, managing energy is the #1 factor in winning any engagement... | Bingo - Fighter Pilot 101! 
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05-16-2005, 11:37 AM
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05-16-2005, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass along with actually have a good enough aim to hit the other guy....... | That's fighter Pilot 102
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05-16-2005, 11:42 AM
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05-16-2005, 03:57 PM
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#205 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well I would go with a 190 over a Spit. In the beginning the 190A was superior to the Spit in just about anyway. Later on the Spit took the 190 however when the 190D came out, the Spit never regained superiority. It would give a 190D a good run for its money, but the 190D was just a class above the Spit. The Spit still being a great aircraft though.
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05-16-2005, 04:01 PM
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05-16-2005, 04:44 PM
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Country: | I just personally think that the Spit, Me-109, P-51, Fw-190A, P-38, Tempest, all belong in the top class group. While the P-51D, Fw-190D, P-38 and Tempest belong in the Top of the top class.
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05-16-2005, 04:45 PM
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Country: | That I can agree with. However the Spitfire does need to be in the "Top of the Top" group too.
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05-16-2005, 04:51 PM
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05-16-2005, 05:43 PM
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Country: | I think it should be in the "Top of the Top" because the Spitfire Mk.XIV was superior to the Fw-190A in almost every way.
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