Is Spitfire relly superior to FW-190?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Chiron

thnks, FLYBOYJ

i learned a lots today.

Hey, no problem

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I would have to say that the best fighter of ETO would have to be a tie between the Fw-190D-9 and the P-38. The P-38 was greatly overshadowed by the P-51D but in my opinion she was better. Now both aircraft the Fw-190 and the P-38 had advantages and disadvantages but they were in my opionion atleast the best Axis and the best Allied fighter of the ETO.

Originally Posted by Chiron

I dont know if its true in reality. I found Fw-190 is much difficult to handle than in Spit. in CFS 2. (obviously, there is no other way to experience the thrill of flying these babes than in a fly simulation game)

Actually a company in Germany called Flugwerk is rebuilding Fw-190A's, Me-109's, and P-51's. They are kit planes and in the email I recieved from them you can buy one for $500,000. It may not be the same as the real thing but it is the closest you can ever get. I know I would love to buy one!

Most all of the common interest is drawn upon the FW 190 project which Flug Werk started in June 1996. The first short flight was done on July 22nd ’04 and we have made further on a row of very successful test flights.

As is natural with recreating such a complex aircraft, a few things needed fine-tuning, balancing and more investigation. To an extent of more than 95% we have achieved all of our design-goals without the need for any remedies.

Cooling of the engine and the engine oil was a major item on the list of verifying the FW 190 systems. In contrast to the original set-up, the oil-cooler is relocated from inside of the engine cowling to the new location under the upper gun-hood. This change will enhance oil- as well as engine-cooling and will not be discernible from the outside. The cooling fan is an operational unit which sports ground-adjustable blades. By changing the incidence of the fan-blades, the cooling system can receive a basic adjustment in order to cater for different climates in which the a/c will be flown and thus increase efficiency. The fan turns at the propeller rotational speed and is integrated into the spinner's back-plate.

Test-flights now proved the engine running too cool and that we need to incorporate a means to restrict the airflow through the oil-cooler in order to get the oil to its’ most efficient temperature.


Also, due to the fact that the internal fueltanks are of welded sheet-metal design, their capacity has been greatly enlarged. The standard FW 190 A8/N holds two internal fuel-tanks, with a total amount of ~680 ltrs internal fuel.


The entire aircraft is about 450kg's lighter than the wartime counterpart, due to the omission of guns, ammunition, heavy radio equipment and the substitution of aluminum sheets for the steel armourplates.


The entire airframe is as close as 98% to the original, with some very minor deviations, where the use of more reliable ( and readily available ) systems dictated the fabrication of different brackets, to mount these items.


All twelve Flug Werk FW 190 A8/N do have original tail-wheel units with combat history. These units recently came out of a forgotten shelter ( !!!) and have been overhauled, including new manufactured inserts, allowing the use of modern seals, grinding and rechroming the dampeners' piston-rods. We have also been equipping the units with standard strut-valves, in order to assure serviceability all the world over.

Tyres and aluminum wheels are brand new and we make use of the Boeing 737-400 nose-gear tyre, which is affordable, readily available and the only tyre which will safely withstand the stress and strains of operating this aircraft from hard-covered runways. The bold original type tyre is not safe to operate.

Now here are some basic technical data covering the FW 190 A8/N :

Engine :
Asch 82 "T" / 14 cylinders, 42 ltrs, 1900 hp
direct fuel injected engine

Propeller:
MT-Propeller 3-blades, 330 cm diameter, constant speed, wooden composite blades

Wing:
wingspan :10.50 mtr
area : 18,30 mtr²

Fuselage:
length: 9,10 mtr
height : 3,95 mtr

Weights :
empty weight : ~2.900 kg
max. gross :~ 3.800 kg

Fuel Qty
Oil Qty
~ 880 ltr
~ 60 ltr

Max Speed @
20.000 ft
635 km/h

T/O speed
165 km/h, strictly three point attitude

Landing speed
185 km/h in landing configuration, three point attitude.

Cruise Speed @
2.300 rpm
585 km/h

Initial Climb rate
4000 ft/min

Service ceiling
practical (ATC)
20.000 ft

Range
990 km w/. VFR reserves

The FW 190 A8/N is sold exclusively as a kit. It is the only warbird, offered in this form, being able to be registered as an amateur-homebuilt kit-plane. This will mean:

"fewer restrictions than with an original warbird and full product support for the plane".

You don't have to buy basic items ( iE. Canopy, wingtips, rudders, elevators etc. ) on the overly expensive "collectors market"... Flug Werk provides an AOG-service, where standard items are stocked. Should a mishap down one of our clients, most all parts are available by express shipping to any part of the world.


The kit does not include the following items:

VHF COM
XPDR and Encoder
Instruments ( we will supply you a list for all instruments needed, to equipp your FW 190 A8/N. Including those that have to be bought new, so they will work with the engine and specialized systems of our kit-aircraft, such as fuel-quantity, oil-temp, fuel-pressure, oil-pressure, prop-pitch and engine-rpm sensors and indicators)
Oxygensystem
electrical wiring looms, connectors or electrical installation material
RLM paint, stencils etc.
...your "Elbow Grease"......

The fast-build kit currently costs Euro 555.000,-

The 300 ltr droptank is another option at Euro 7.000,-
The rack to mount the tank is an option at Euro 2.500,-

For further inquiries please contact us under colling@flugwerk.de

Don't bother asking about : fuel consumption, cost of maintenance etc...It is loud, it is fast, it is mean, but most of all it is fun and yes, it just has one seat !!!


The photos below show the splendid result of one of our clients in the USA.

It is the Fw 190 WNr. 173056 owned and restored by Mr. Don Hansen of Baton Rouge / Louisiana USA. In "real life" this particular Fw 190 served as "White 14 with I./JG 11…

Most of the major components have been delivered by Flug Werk, as has been the case with the kit for the substitution of the former BMW-801 D aero-engine with the more modern and reliable ASch 82 14 cylinder radial. Flug Werk supplied all necessary stress-calculations and cooling analyses for the exchange of the powerplants as well. Propeller and main landing gear system also are Flug Werk products to supplement this exciting project
http://www.flugwerk.com/new/fw190/fw190.shtm

[plan_D]

Force Feedback gives you the shudder before a stall. Playing Il-2 FB + AEP with a Sidewinder 2 (Force Feedback)...


...and in my opinion, to answer the question, is the pope really catholic?

Spitfire Mk.XVIII

[KraziKanuK]

Originally Posted by plan_D

...and in my opinion, to answer the question, is the pope really catholic?

Spitfire Mk.XVIII

The first Mk XVIII was not delivered until May 28 1945. A wee bit late for the hostilities in Europe.

[plan_D]

Official hostilites, yes. There were still tiny groups of resistance. Much smaller than expected and Hitler hoped for but still...

[Glider]

I hadn't realised that you could buy a 'new 190'. I do recall there was a splash of interest in a new Spit ( that was produced at Duxford a couple of years ago.
It was to original plans and standards with a new merlin but with modern analysis systems built into the airframe for ease of maintanence. What with the Russians supplying new build Yak 9? all we need is a new Lancaster to keep everyone happy

[mosquitoman]

A new Mossie aswell, if you're offering

[Nonskimmer]

Someone in New Zealand is already working on that.
http://www.mossie.org/articles/CWD/Mos.html

[The Jug Rules!]

Hey, I'm gettin a lot of mixed reports about the p-38. Some say the p-38 couldn't turn as well as single engined figters, and that its only advatage was boom and zoom tactics. Others say that it could outclimb and outturn single engined fighters...Whats the real story??

[cheddar cheese]

Well the P-38L could climb with anything single engined. As for manoverability, they could turn with anything, especially at altitude.

[plan_D]

The actual aircraft could turn, yes. It was not simple though, P-38s required experienced, well trained or naturall talented pilots to fly them to their extreme.
When one of those pilots got in the seat it could climb with, turn with, dive with, roll with the best and worst of them.

[cheddar cheese]

Yep, I forgot to mention that. Many accidents were had early on because pilots werent recieving enough training.

[evangilder]

It wasn't just early on though. I interviewed a guy that flew them late in the war and the training was woefully inadequate. They went from single engine fighters to the P-38 after just an orientation flight, squatting behind the pilot.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Glider

I hadn't realised that you could buy a 'new 190'. I do recall there was a splash of interest in a new Spit ( that was produced at Duxford a couple of years ago.
It was to original plans and standards with a new merlin but with modern analysis systems built into the airframe for ease of maintanence. What with the Russians supplying new build Yak 9? all we need is a new Lancaster to keep everyone happy

The 190's not completely built to original plans but it is the closest thing you will find to it.

[the lancaster kicks ass]

actually they're amazingly close to the real thing, they spent thousands just to have the bolts needed specailly made...........