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06-14-2005, 02:39 PM
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| The Spit XIV was better than the Fw-190A8, but with a good pilot the Fw-190A8 would give the Spit XIV a hair raising fight.
The 190A-8 was never outmatched by the Spit XIV to a degree where its succes against one would be highly unlikely.
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06-14-2005, 04:32 PM
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Country:  | i'm with les in as far as the Ta-152 is a member of the same family, this is obviously true, but if it was a Fw-190, surely it would be designated a Fw-190?? the thread asks if the spit was superior to the Fw-190, not Fw-190 and family, when talking about medium bombers do i claim the lancaster was the best, i mean she was in the same family as the manchester, annother medium bomber??
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06-15-2005, 01:30 AM
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Country: | I don't believe I ever stated that the Spitfire XIV was better to a degree that the A-8 would never beat one. The Spitfire XIV was just better than the Fw-190A, it's as simple as that. There's really no need for a discussion.
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06-15-2005, 05:25 AM
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Country: | I was wondering; do we bring the Spitfire Mk.VIII, XII and F.21 into this as they all saw service.
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06-15-2005, 11:14 AM
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06-15-2005, 01:34 PM
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Country:  | I will agree that it has better performance but do you really think the Spitfire was going to fly 448 mph in a dogfight? Neither is the Fw-190 going to fly 408mph in a dogfight. At about the same speeds, the Spitfire is not a garaunteed win over the Fw-190A-8. The Spit would still have to have a better pilot.
And that is what this topic is about, so if there is no need for discussion then why do we have this thread?
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06-16-2005, 05:34 AM
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Country: | The Spitfire XIV wasn't just faster than the Fw-190A though. It was better in almost everything. Given equal pilots, the Spitfire XIV will win. It's a better plane. Speed advantage is always nice to have, especially 40 mph of it.
The Spitfire wouldn't need a better pilot, Adler, the Fw-190A would. What's so hard to understand about the XIV being a superior aircraft? The Spitfire XII and F.21 were better than the Fw-190A too.
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06-16-2005, 05:05 PM
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Country: | No where am I arguing that fact, no where have I said that it was not a better aircraft then a Fw-190A.
What is so hard to see that the Fw-190A was not a push over even to a Spitfire XVI?
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06-17-2005, 06:08 AM
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Country: | It's much harder for the Fw-190A than the Spitfire XIV in a dogfight. I don't think I stated the Fw-190A was a push-over, the Spitfire XIV was just superior and the Fw-190A would have to be good to deal with a superior aircraft.
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06-17-2005, 11:40 AM
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Country: | Agreed.....Finally!
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06-17-2005, 02:02 PM
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Country: | hang on pD, in WWII it was still the Mk.21, not F.21........
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06-17-2005, 11:33 PM
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06-18-2005, 03:16 AM
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Country: | Not to my knowledge, by 1944 the RAF had started designating their aircraft with letters too. Like the B-17 GR.III, Spitfire PR.XIX and Spitfire F.21.
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06-18-2005, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D It's much harder for the Fw-190A than the Spitfire XIV in a dogfight. I don't think I stated the Fw-190A was a push-over, the Spitfire XIV was just superior and the Fw-190A would have to be good to deal with a superior aircraft. | A simple Split S maneuver and 190A is outta there, and the Spit XIV will have to run circles to get behind it again. This is why the 190 was such an excellent fighter, as it could bugger out of almost any situation, mainly thanks to its quick roll, very fast 45* degree turn, and good diving characteristics.
So to quote Adler's statement; " the Fw-190A was not a push over even to a Spitfire XVI"
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06-18-2005, 09:50 AM
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Country: | No one said it was, the Spitfire XIV was still a superior aircraft. 
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