Ta 152H-1 vs P-51H

[schwarzpanzer]

Pehaps this comparison would be easier if put in simple terms?

I don't think the P51-H saw service in the Western Front?

I would guess that the Ta would win at all altitudes.



I know the P51-D's wings could break off, was this rectified in the P51-H?

I think Soren knows what he is talking about.

What do power curves matter on planes?

[Erich]

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[davparlr]

davprlr said, "At 35-45000 feet their would be no competition to the Ta-152!"

I am not sure I would agree that at 35,000ft, the P-51H would be "no competition" for a Ta-152.

I was basing this estimate on the fact that the P-51H engine hp is dropping off significantly and at 35k is generating less than 1400 hp where the Ta-152 is generating close to 1700 hp. Also, the P-51H is about 7000 ft below service ceiling whereas the Ta-152 is 13000+ ft below service ceiling. And since the Ta-152 has the energy advantage of attacking from above, I would suspect the P-51H would have to have a significant advantage to neutralize this energy advantage and I do not believe it has that at 35k. The Ta-152 is really in its element in this area.

[Sal Monella]

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[V-1710]

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[Erich]

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[lesofprimus]

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[Erich]

yes the 4-6 Stab a/c received the white spiralschnauze later but first were the plain black-green

thanks for posting this craft Les ! a beautiful a/c it was and still is

[V-1710]

O.K., back to the subject- If this discussion is intended to be a comparison between the ultimate expression of the Fw-190 design (which I believe it was) and the ultimate expression of the P-51 design, I question if the H was really the ultimate P-51. Yes, it had the lightweight airframe (which some say was more for range in the Pacific rather than maneuverability), improved wing airfoil (again less drag for greater range), and the larger tail (O.K., that was for maneuverability). But, there was a P-51 derivative that handily outperformed the H, and that was the XP-51J. The J had a higher ceiling (43,700' vs. 41,600'), better climb to 20,000' (5 min. vs. 7.5 min.) and a similar top speed (471 m.p.h. @ 27,000' vs. 487 m.p.h. @ 25,000'). Prof. Tank's claim of easily pulling away from a flight of P-51's that tried to jump him during a test flight could certainly have been true, noting that Tank's 152H-1 probably didn't have full combat equipment, and the P-51's that gave chase were almost certainly D models, which had none of the improvements of the H or J models. Now, before comment is made that the J was purely experimental, you could almost make the claim that the 152 was not really in production either (a total of 67 examples of all types). Further, the P-51J was really the basis for the sensational P-82 Twin Mustang. In any event, I feel that the 152 was already made quite obsolete by the Me-262 in the interceptor role, and the P-51 was on the verge of being eclipsed by the P-80.

[Erich]

actually according to TA 152H vets the turn circle was quite good as Reschkes victory over a Tempest suggests, the Me 262 due to speed of the jet could not turn on a dime and in aerial combat 9 out of 10 times this is how the P-51D/K pilots were able to shoot this a/c down. Frankly the Ta 152 in my opinion would of been the high cover for Jets landing and taking off

[Soren]

Judging from pilot accounts and aerodynamic data, the Ta 152H-1 could most likely outturn any Allied fighter it met - likely even the Spitfire. (Although only a late mark Spitfire, a +25 lbs/sq.in. boosted Mk.IX would probably prove abit of a mouthfull in a turnfight)


Sal & davparlr,

I read your last few posts, and I advice you to read my second last post, then you'll understand why I wrote that the Ta 152H-1 didn't need to fear the P-51H at any altitude.

With a properly functioning engine you can expect the Ta 152H-1 to hit a top speed at sea level in the order of 615+ km/h, and a top speed of ~800+ km/h at altitude ! And climb rate would ofcourse increase quite vastly with this increase in engine power as-well.

[Sal Monella]

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[Erich]

in truth the JG 301 pilots "had nothing to fear from the Soviets", as this was the prime contender they were taking on with the Tank models. Again we continue to speculate about this fine a/c ..............

[lesofprimus]

And all it will ever be is speculation... We came real close to finding out how the Tank would have handled the Mustangs, but alas, they got bounced by their own countrymen and broke off the engagement...

[Sal Monella]

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