Ta 152H-1 vs P-51H

[johnbr]

I would have loved to have seen the Ta-152 a DB603Q or n.

[Sal Monella]

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[Erich]

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[Sal Monella]

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[Erich]

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[davparlr]

I read your last few posts, and I advice you to read my second last post, then you'll understand why I wrote that the Ta 152H-1 didn't need to fear the P-51H at any altitude.

With a properly functioning engine you can expect the Ta 152H-1 to hit a top speed at sea level in the order of 615+ km/h, and a top speed of ~800+ km/h at altitude ! And climb rate would ofcourse increase quite vastly with this increase in engine power as-well.

I am confused. The site you referenced seem to be the one discussing time to climb. I don't know what this has to do with combat superiority (especially since the time to climb to 7000 m of the P-51H is significantly better than the Ta-152H (5 min to 8 min). Also I agree with Sal. I have not seen those airspeed numbers anywhere. Maybe some pilot reports are coming. Even if the 615 km/hr at SL is correct, it is still more than 60 km/hr slower than the P-51H at SL. However, it would not surprise me if the Ta-152 could hit 800 km/hr at high altitude.

And all it will ever be is speculation... We came real close to finding out how the Tank would have handled the Mustangs, but alas, they got bounced by their own countrymen and broke off the engagement...

Not really since the Mustangs were almost assuredly P-15Ds and would have been sorely pressed against the Ta-152H. The P-51D did not have the performance of the P-51H, they were significantly slower (395 mph vs. 443 mph at 5k ft), had higher wing loading, and lower power to weight ratio than the P-51H.

[Sal Monella]

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[Erich]

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[davparlr]

think you are missing my point slightly and am going to have to post one of the JG 301 pilot transcripts. As mentioned earlier the Ta was heavily tested, and evaluated in many situation from pilot to ground control which including at least a dozen personell in many capacities. so importanat was the evaluation of this prop job that there were more than the standard regime' of interested parties including TAnk and his own test staff ........ remember one thing that in combat III./JG 301 pilots and the Stab/JG 301 pilots did not fly the same Ta 152H on every mission.

I am hoping that Monogram will give a full acct of the test values for the a/c, operations maybe difficualt since the full story of JG 301 in 1945 is covered in very small detail. Not even Reschkes own book covers it thourghly.

v/r E ♫

I certainly am hoping with you. It obviously was a great airplane and it would be loss to not have the data you have mentioned.

[Jabberwocky]

With a properly functioning engine you can expect the Ta 152H-1 to hit a top speed at sea level in the order of 615+ km/h, and a top speed of ~800+ km/h at altitude ! And climb rate would ofcourse increase quite vastly with this increase in engine power as-well.

I'm gonna call you on that 800+ kph speed at altitude and ask for a source.

I have quite a few copies of original FW data sheets and speed graphs, for both the H and C variants of the TA-152. The fastest speed I can find is 753 kph at 10.5 kilometers for a Ta-152 C-0 fitted with a DB 603 L.

The fastest FW seems to have actually been the 190D-12, which has a graphed speed of about 775 kph with a Jumo 213 F at 3250 rpm and 1.84 ata using B3 fuel

I don't believe the 615 kph at sea level either. Speeds for the H and C models vary from about 575-595 kph, but not any higher. I have two speed graphs for the Ta-152 H-1. The first shows 580 kph at sea level, the second shows 595 kph. I also have a FW data sheet from October 1944, with a H-0 (Jumo 213 E) speed of 580 kph on the deck and 742 kph at 9.5 kilometres altitude.

[Sal Monella]

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[Bullockracing]

... Prof. Tank's claim of easily pulling away from a flight of P-51's that tried to jump him during a test flight could certainly have been true, noting that Tank's 152H-1 probably didn't have full combat equipment, and the P-51's that gave chase were almost certainly D models, which had none of the improvements of the H or J models...

I have an American version of that story, which lends credence to Prof Tank's claim, but the P-51s never caught the "long-nose 190" so they couldn't confirm the exact type of 190D or 152 it was, much less if Prof Tank was at the controls...

[Erich]

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[Sal Monella]

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[Erich]

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