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03-24-2004, 11:14 AM
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| Well...could it be because he doesn't like B-17s?  
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Country:  | no, cos he gets scared whenever he sees it cos he know he might ave t slag it off  we tend to make jokes about the ju-87 alot now though 
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03-26-2004, 08:58 AM
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| To be honest I think the Ju87 is more deserving of our wrath
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03-28-2004, 07:24 AM
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03-28-2004, 07:49 AM
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| Really? 
Its amazing how Propaganda can rot the brain 
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(you see a pattern developing here)
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04-02-2004, 11:34 AM
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Country: | The Stuka did well when no enemy aircraft were in the air, or no AA was on the ground..really it was crap. Goes to show when it did so well against the Spanish, Polish, French and Belgians..when it came across normal people it failed horribly, the British I mean. It even destroyed the Soviets at first.
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It even destroyed the Soviets at first.
| i thought soviets were indestructible 
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04-02-2004, 12:04 PM
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Country: | How did you come to that conclusion? Since their airforce was wiped away and their tank force went from 28,800 to 1506 from June 1941 to July 1942.
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04-02-2004, 12:09 PM
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04-02-2004, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D How did you come to that conclusion? Since their airforce was wiped away and their tank force went from 28,800 to 1506 from June 1941 to July 1942. | Their tank force was amazing though (better than their airforce)
The Russian T-34 is widely beleived to be the best tank to ever come out of WW2 - it knocked the socks off anything German and even modern tanks were designed using the revolutionary ideas the Russians used to build them - the Russian tank force during WW2 was truly something to be very very worried about... 
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Country: | I think you should read my reply in 'What are tanks?' to that.
In 1941 Russias tanks certainly were not good, going from a force of 28,800 to 1506 surely shows it. Their production was their greatness and the German tanks were still better on paper. The reasons the Germans lost was not because of their inferior tanks, it was because of their inferior numbers.
German tanks were the best of the war, if you are want to average it out. Early war, 1939 - 1940 Britain were the best, only because of the Matilda, 1941-1942 Russia were the best, 1943 onwards Germany were the best. All the way through Germany were only slightly surpassed.
The Panzer IVG always matched the T-34 of any variant, and the Panther walked all over the T-34 in combat until it was overrun by many T-34s. In one battle 7 Panthers met 70 T-34s and in the 20 minute conflict destroyed 28 T-34s without a single loss.
The Panzer V 'Panther' was the best tank of the war. And that was designed to combat the T-34, so there's something you can say about the T-34.
You do realise the T-34 would have never existed if not for the American Christie tank system, by good 'ole New Jersey man Walther Chrisite. So, this was not a Russian invention. And in fact it was the JS-3 that pioneered modern tanks and this was based off the KV more than the T-34.
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04-02-2004, 08:19 PM
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| If this German tank was so hot mate then WHY are modern tank designs based around the T-34 and not a German tank? The truth is that the German tank was based around the design of the T-34! the Nazis saw it on the battlefield and thought "oh ****" and designed their tank in a hurry - see this quote and the site i got it from it clearly proves my point - the T-34 was the best 
"The T-34 came as a sad surprise to the Germans when they encountered them in quantity in July 1941. (Even if the T-34 engaged the Germans for the first time on June 22nd at Gorki). When the Germans engaged them they noticed that all their tanks had suddenly become obsolete and undergunned, for they were not a match to the T-34 either in speed, hitting power or protection. This immediately led to the Germans speeding up the developement of the heavy Tiger tank and the designwork of a tank with a similar design as the T-34, later to be known as the PzKpfw. V Panther, which owed its appearance and features directly to the T-34." http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Qu.../Text/t34.html
Oh and while you're at it you may as well take a look at another site - perhaps this will convince you..? http://www.iwm.org.uk/duxford/land4.htm
This American may have designed it but the Russians took the idea and perfected it - the T-34 was a russian design based on an american concept
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