Panzer Kampfwagen V Panther Ausf. G (Fruhe) - Aircraft of World War II

Catch22 · 01-24-2009, 12:26 AM

So, for my birthday, I got another 1/35 Tamiya Panther, but this time it came with PE Zimmerit! I had a book, Panther In Action (which I cannot find right now!

), but I do recall a paint scheme of all Panzer Schwarzgrau. I'm not sure if it was of an Ausf. G, or if there were even any Panthers painted like this, as I haven't seen any pictures of them with this scheme. I wonder if anyone can help me out with this one. I love that all gray scheme, but won't do it if it's inaccurate. There's no rush at all, as I have to finish my Dora before I can start.

Thanks!

Wurger · 01-24-2009, 08:07 AM

The colour was typical for early German tanks.But have a look at this link please

Panther Ausf. G Late Version by Chris Leeman (Tamiya 1/35)

Catch22 · 01-24-2009, 10:25 AM

Thanks Wojtek. I know it was usually for early war tanks, so that's what raised the alarm bells. Great link Wojtek, do you know what colour that would be? It looks almost greenish.

Airframes · 01-24-2009, 10:52 AM

Hi Cory. I've only ever seen B&W pics of Panthers in what MIGHT have been the colour shown in the link, and then only a few, very late war. (Ie March - My '45). As you know, the base colour for all vehicles changed to 'Dark Yellow', with, or without, disruptive patches/stripes/mottle of greens/browns/wine-red. If it has Zimmeritt, then it will almost certainly have been painted, as this anti-magnetic mune paste was a light grey in colour. The colour in the link pics I suspect is factory finish undercoat, to get the vehicle out into the field quickly. Depending on the period you wish to portray, and if using the Zimmeritt, I would think a single colour of the sand, or sand with the other colours would be OK. Of course, if you know which unit etc, and can find reference pics, then it'll be a bit easier! Charles Bronson's 'Panther' thread should be very useful for this.

Catch22 · 01-24-2009, 11:19 AM

Unfortunately Terry, I don't have a clue as to which unit the painting I saw is from, I only know that it's a later Ausf. G with the revised gun mantlet (I have the early one of course), and that it was based in Berlin. There is a really neat scheme that came with the kit, which has a LOT of the rotbraun, so I'll probably end up doing that one as I don't know if I can get the kind of info I need to do a gray one. And I forgot about Bronson's thread, I'll go find it. Thanks Terry!

Wurger · 01-24-2009, 04:20 PM

Cory, which one of the two did you mean?

109ROAMING · 01-24-2009, 10:56 PM

Cool mate! Any idea of when you'l make a start?

Catch22 · 01-25-2009, 02:11 AM

Top one Wojtek, that's the exact profile!

Dan, I'll probably start it later this week, once I'm done my Dora.

109ROAMING · 01-25-2009, 04:03 AM

Awesome ,Looking forward to it mate

Lucky13 · 01-25-2009, 07:58 AM

Odd...I thought that all G Panthers had steel wheels...or was it only the late G's?

Airframes · 01-25-2009, 12:41 PM

Only the late model 'G' Jan.
Cory, now that I've seen the profile you meant, it's ringing bells. As you can see, the Panther has the Zimmeritt, in the distinctive 'tile pattern', so the colour must be painted over the top. I remember speaking to a Police Patrol driver I used to know, who's father had been in the Waffen SS (!) as a Panther commander, near the end of the war. I can onlly presume that what he told me is correct and that was, apparently, that colour scheme was designed to be more effective in built-up areas and cities, blending-in more than the 'sand' and 'stripes' pattern, which makes sense. If the armour was going to deployed in towns and cities, then it would certainly be a better colour scheme. This is borne out by the colours worn by British Chieftains of the Berlin Squadron, up to the late '80's, which had an overall mid-grey paint scheme, with rectangles and squares of brown, different greys, and white. Looked very strange, but surprisingly effective!

Catch22 · 01-25-2009, 01:24 PM

That's interesting info Terry, thanks! Good to know I'd be ok to do that scheme, as I love it! It's actually not all dark gray, but it actually has thin brown lines. Now, that's a later model G, as the gun mantlet shows, and I have the early, but I still think I could get away with it.

Airframes · 01-25-2009, 04:09 PM

Don't see why not mate. It was 'painted in the field', wasn't it?!!!

Wayne Little · 01-26-2009, 04:26 AM

Should be an interesting build.....

Lucky13 · 01-26-2009, 05:00 AM

Get started!

01-24-2009, 12:26 AM	#1
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Panzer Kampfwagen V Panther Ausf. G (Fruhe) So, for my birthday, I got another 1/35 Tamiya Panther, but this time it came with PE Zimmerit! I had a book, Panther In Action (which I cannot find right now! ), but I do recall a paint scheme of all Panzer Schwarzgrau. I'm not sure if it was of an Ausf. G, or if there were even any Panthers painted like this, as I haven't seen any pictures of them with this scheme. I wonder if anyone can help me out with this one. I love that all gray scheme, but won't do it if it's inaccurate. There's no rush at all, as I have to finish my Dora before I can start. Thanks! __________________

01-24-2009, 08:07 AM	#2
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	The colour was typical for early German tanks.But have a look at this link please Panther Ausf. G Late Version by Chris Leeman (Tamiya 1/35) __________________

01-24-2009, 10:25 AM	#3
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Thanks Wojtek. I know it was usually for early war tanks, so that's what raised the alarm bells. Great link Wojtek, do you know what colour that would be? It looks almost greenish. __________________

01-24-2009, 11:19 AM	#5
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Unfortunately Terry, I don't have a clue as to which unit the painting I saw is from, I only know that it's a later Ausf. G with the revised gun mantlet (I have the early one of course), and that it was based in Berlin. There is a really neat scheme that came with the kit, which has a LOT of the rotbraun, so I'll probably end up doing that one as I don't know if I can get the kind of info I need to do a gray one. And I forgot about Bronson's thread, I'll go find it. Thanks Terry! __________________

01-24-2009, 10:56 PM	#7
109ROAMING Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,994	Cool mate! Any idea of when you'l make a start? __________________ "When all else fails read the manual"

01-24-2009, 10:52 AM	#4
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Hi Cory. I've only ever seen B&W pics of Panthers in what MIGHT have been the colour shown in the link, and then only a few, very late war. (Ie March - My '45). As you know, the base colour for all vehicles changed to 'Dark Yellow', with, or without, disruptive patches/stripes/mottle of greens/browns/wine-red. If it has Zimmeritt, then it will almost certainly have been painted, as this anti-magnetic mune paste was a light grey in colour. The colour in the link pics I suspect is factory finish undercoat, to get the vehicle out into the field quickly. Depending on the period you wish to portray, and if using the Zimmeritt, I would think a single colour of the sand, or sand with the other colours would be OK. Of course, if you know which unit etc, and can find reference pics, then it'll be a bit easier! Charles Bronson's 'Panther' thread should be very useful for this.

01-25-2009, 02:11 AM	#8
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Top one Wojtek, that's the exact profile! Dan, I'll probably start it later this week, once I'm done my Dora. __________________

01-25-2009, 04:03 AM	#9
109ROAMING Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,994	Awesome ,Looking forward to it mate __________________ "When all else fails read the manual"

01-25-2009, 07:58 AM	#10
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,139	Odd...I thought that all G Panthers had steel wheels...or was it only the late G's? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-25-2009, 12:41 PM	#11
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Only the late model 'G' Jan. Cory, now that I've seen the profile you meant, it's ringing bells. As you can see, the Panther has the Zimmeritt, in the distinctive 'tile pattern', so the colour must be painted over the top. I remember speaking to a Police Patrol driver I used to know, who's father had been in the Waffen SS (!) as a Panther commander, near the end of the war. I can onlly presume that what he told me is correct and that was, apparently, that colour scheme was designed to be more effective in built-up areas and cities, blending-in more than the 'sand' and 'stripes' pattern, which makes sense. If the armour was going to deployed in towns and cities, then it would certainly be a better colour scheme. This is borne out by the colours worn by British Chieftains of the Berlin Squadron, up to the late '80's, which had an overall mid-grey paint scheme, with rectangles and squares of brown, different greys, and white. Looked very strange, but surprisingly effective!

01-25-2009, 01:24 PM	#12
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	That's interesting info Terry, thanks! Good to know I'd be ok to do that scheme, as I love it! It's actually not all dark gray, but it actually has thin brown lines. Now, that's a later model G, as the gun mantlet shows, and I have the early, but I still think I could get away with it. __________________

01-25-2009, 04:09 PM	#13
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Don't see why not mate. It was 'painted in the field', wasn't it?!!!

01-26-2009, 04:26 AM	#14
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 12,511	Should be an interesting build..... __________________

01-26-2009, 05:00 AM	#15
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,139	Get started! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

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