splinter scheme

[ellis995]

Hi guy's

Question about the " splinter scheme " for the Bf109e, did the early ( 1940's era ) have black-green and dark green top side.



Will start the kit after chrim bow

[Airframes]

Keith, the (very) early scheme was black green/dark green, but by early summer 1940, and the BoB period, the change had been made to dark green/ RLM02. The black green could still be seen, but rarely by then.

[Wurger]

I agre with Terry. What is more Emils of the time period were painted with RLM65 applied very high ( almost to the top) on its fuselage sides.Mottling wasn't used on them very often.

[ellis995]

Thanks Terry,Wojtek

I'll have to see what the nearest gray i have to the 02, think i might have to mix and match colours

[Wurger]

You can use this "receipt".

[ellis995]

Thanks Wojtek

[Wurger]

You'r welcome.

[stona]

From memory various forms of mottle started appearing as early as May 1940. It was common place by August 1940. You'll need to check for whatever aircraft/unit you're modelling.
Steve

[Crimea_River]

Agreed. The sides of Helmut Wick's machine was one of the most heavily camouflaged of it's time.

[ellis995]

Thanks for the input guy's
After a search in my paints, i came up with this colour ( as near to the 02 grey RLM ).
If this colour is not right i will have to mix some of the other grey's i have.
I only have Revell paints and a couple of extracolour paints.

revell.jpg

[Crimea_River]

Looks in the ballpark Keith but computer screens aren't the best way to get an accurate judgement. My philosophy is that close is usually good enough, given the vagueries of colour batches, dirt, bleaching, etc.

[Airframes]

I agree with CR, and those colour splotchy things Revell use are about as useful as an ash tray on a motorbike - even on the printed page! If you're going to mix your own Keith, get a mid grey, a bit like the colour of grey car primer, and add a touch of green, so that it ends up grey-green. The colour shown on the Revell splotch, as seen, is reasonably close for a form of RLM 02, (although the actual paint might not be) so you can use that as a guide.
Even though RLM 02 was the same colour used as an upper surface camouflage, if you look at even black and white pics of the period, say around the time of the BoB, the shade in the inside the cockpit of the '109E often looks lighter (slightly) than the outside, and more of a grey tone. It really is one of those things where no one can say for certain you are wrong - or right! Also, on a model, where the physical area of the cockpit is small, it's normally better to make the colour a bit lighter, to counteract the lighting effect. If it looks right, it is right nearly always works!

[stona]

Agreed. The sides of Helmut Wick's machine was one of the most heavily camouflaged of it's time.

Aaah! the famous stippling. I've never been able to get anything close in scale.It probably needs someone more skilled with the hairy stick than I am to achieve a realistic effect.You certainly can't airbrush it. Great looking machine!
Steve

[Crimea_River]

Yup, will do this one some day. Got an old 1/24 Airfix 109E with this scheme in my stash. Stippling with a dry brush is the way to go.