I need an opinion - Aircraft of World War II

Clave · 11-10-2006, 07:48 AM

I have been trying to do this profile for someone - it's quite rare - a Curtiss XP-87, and I am really unsure about some stuff here...

What do you think of the cockpit? is it the right size and shape? should I show another strut in the front part? do you think the front part is curved or flat?

Also, I have placed some rivets just more-or-less at random - is this justified? should I have more? or none at all?

And I would like an overall opinion, especially concerning adding details etc...

Thanks!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-10-2006, 12:19 PM

What program do you use again? I know I have asked you a dozen times and you have told me a dozen times, I just cant remember.

Clave · 11-10-2006, 07:43 PM

Adobe Illustrator...

Oh, and here's the final version:

There's so few references, I just kinda stopped...

Gnomey · 11-10-2006, 07:50 PM

Looks good. Here are a couple of reference (which you probably have already but anyway)

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...ges/xp87-1.jpg
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...ges/xp87-2.jpg

curtiss xp87 blackhawk

Can't see any rivets so I would say they look fine.

Sources right click

Matt308 · 11-11-2006, 12:22 AM

Clave, first off let me preface this with your talent is of the first caliber and I could never approach your skill and patience. But you asked for constructive comments.

1. Based upon Gnomey's pic the cockpit needs more of an apex.

2. The nose may need to be stretched a little.

3. Is your pitot probe perspective correct? Perhaps down instead of up?

4. Windscreen looks a little too big compared to Gnomey's pic and equipment aft of the ejection seat should probably be researched (not in yours).

5. Aft lower tail (stinger) rises too quickly compared to Gnomey's.

6. Exhaust shield is not correct according to Gnomey's pic. More of a symetric convergence compared to yours.

7. The engine cowling needs more curvature towards the front end.

8. Upper tail needs more of a negative trailoff to the aft.

I wish I had an album of your efforts. As I have told you before, I own some lithographs that were given to me 30 years ago of WWII aircraft and your efforts are as good or better. Ever thought about a more formal way to keep your art?

Clave · 11-11-2006, 05:39 AM

Thanks for the comments!

I may have to come back to this later - I find doing all-black and all-white planes aggravating (They just don't work well with the shading technique I use)

All of my pics are on my site (good and bad)

But if by more formal, you mean a book, well I have no idea how that would work...

(Maybe the only book I see here is the history of Hawker?)

11-10-2006, 07:48 AM	#1
Clave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deep in suburban Surrey Posts: 1,878	I need an opinion I have been trying to do this profile for someone - it's quite rare - a Curtiss XP-87, and I am really unsure about some stuff here... What do you think of the cockpit? is it the right size and shape? should I show another strut in the front part? do you think the front part is curved or flat? Also, I have placed some rivets just more-or-less at random - is this justified? should I have more? or none at all? And I would like an overall opinion, especially concerning adding details etc... Thanks! Attached Images __________________

11-10-2006, 12:19 PM	#2
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	What program do you use again? I know I have asked you a dozen times and you have told me a dozen times, I just cant remember. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-10-2006, 07:43 PM	#3
Clave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deep in suburban Surrey Posts: 1,878	Adobe Illustrator... Oh, and here's the final version: There's so few references, I just kinda stopped... Attached Images __________________

11-10-2006, 07:50 PM	#4
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,223	Looks good. Here are a couple of reference (which you probably have already but anyway) http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...ges/xp87-1.jpg http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...ges/xp87-2.jpg curtiss xp87 blackhawk Can't see any rivets so I would say they look fine. Sources right click __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

11-11-2006, 12:22 AM	#5
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,386	Clave, first off let me preface this with your talent is of the first caliber and I could never approach your skill and patience. But you asked for constructive comments. 1. Based upon Gnomey's pic the cockpit needs more of an apex. 2. The nose may need to be stretched a little. 3. Is your pitot probe perspective correct? Perhaps down instead of up? 4. Windscreen looks a little too big compared to Gnomey's pic and equipment aft of the ejection seat should probably be researched (not in yours). 5. Aft lower tail (stinger) rises too quickly compared to Gnomey's. 6. Exhaust shield is not correct according to Gnomey's pic. More of a symetric convergence compared to yours. 7. The engine cowling needs more curvature towards the front end. 8. Upper tail needs more of a negative trailoff to the aft. I wish I had an album of your efforts. As I have told you before, I own some lithographs that were given to me 30 years ago of WWII aircraft and your efforts are as good or better. Ever thought about a more formal way to keep your art? __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

11-11-2006, 05:39 AM	#6
Clave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deep in suburban Surrey Posts: 1,878	Thanks for the comments! I may have to come back to this later - I find doing all-black and all-white planes aggravating (They just don't work well with the shading technique I use) All of my pics are on my site (good and bad) But if by more formal, you mean a book, well I have no idea how that would work... (Maybe the only book I see here is the history of Hawker?) __________________

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