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10-18-2007, 11:49 PM
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I took this photo on the "hill" that over looks Edinburgh many years ago (1990). Is it still relevant?
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10-19-2007, 06:45 AM
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10-19-2007, 11:09 AM
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Country: | They have devolution but not indepedence. I'm against it but there are plenty of twats who are for it (although apparently it is only ~30% of the population). In all likelyhood it will happen but hopefully I won't be here when it does...
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10-19-2007, 11:32 AM
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10-19-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gnomey  They have devolution but not indepedence. I'm against it but there are plenty of twats who are for it (although apparently it is only ~30% of the population). In all likelyhood it will happen but hopefully I won't be here when it does... | Out of curiosity - Why do you oppose independence?
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10-19-2007, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Out of curiosity - Why do you oppose independence? | There are many sound reasons I have heard for it but I personally think that it is economically not viable especially if we stay outwith the EU (which would be likely until membership is accepted). Besides that once it has happen everyone will want the union again. People have tried to convince me that independence is good but they have failed and I will not vote SNP in the near future...
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10-19-2007, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Out of curiosity - Why do you oppose independence? | Why want independence?
Scotland takes a lot less tax cash than some regions of England. And pays its way with oil. Can't see the pix yet so will discuss later.
Independence is something I don't understand but its all about flags and dodgy economics.
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10-20-2007, 04:36 AM
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I see the need for local rule, and even local parliament, but for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to become independent countries would not be a good idea. I mean, just think of the logistics of having 4 separate Armies, Navies, and Air Forces!...
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10-20-2007, 05:27 AM
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Country: | Got to see the Pix. Scotland does have home rule so no harm no foul. But not full independence.
But Comiso me old chum...when has graffiti been politically relevant...unless you mean the writing is on the wall.
As an English living in Scotland I see the issue and am no Jock basher. Although if Scotland does go independent and starts ethnic cleansing then I am probably for the chop! | |
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10-20-2007, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Clave We are not that big a nation to start splitting up again imo...
I see the need for local rule, and even local parliament, but for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland to become independent countries would not be a good idea. I mean, just think of the logistics of having 4 separate Armies, Navies, and Air Forces!... | Northern Ireland isn't going to become independent - it's going to become part of the Republic! Quote:
Originally Posted by The Basket Why want independence?
Scotland takes a lot less tax cash than some regions of England. And pays its way with oil. Can't see the pix yet so will discuss later.
Independence is something I don't understand but its all about flags and dodgy economics. | I certainly don't know the specifics - but that situation (receiving less tax monies and "paying its way with oil") does not seem to be very beneficial to the nation as a whole. I'm sure that it goes beyond simply flags and economics that you may disagree with.
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10-20-2007, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mkloby Northern Ireland isn't going to become independent - it's going to become part of the Republic!
I certainly don't know the specifics - but that situation (receiving less tax monies and "paying its way with oil") does not seem to be very beneficial to the nation as a whole. I'm sure that it goes beyond simply flags and economics that you may disagree with. | May? | |
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10-20-2007, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Basket May? | Please let me rephrase - what is the economic argument for an independent Scotland, and why do you disagree with it (which I am assuming since you said "dodgy economics.")
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10-20-2007, 09:12 PM
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Country: | The main independence party in Scotland is called the Scottish Nationalist Party. Not the Scottish Good Economics Party.
Therefore Independence is driven by nationalism and not economics. Simplistic but gets the point.
Economics is just statistics which are whatever you make them. To say Scotland would be richer in the future can be no more accurate than saying Scotland will be poorer. No one knows. But the nationalist agenda is the driving force. Since an independent Scotland has no track record then it can only be compared to other countries. Which are not really comparable. | |
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10-21-2007, 04:38 PM
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Country: | Let them get their independance - every freakin' tribe in Europe and the world should get their independance. Split England up to its old countries again.
It's like the Irish bollocks - "it's ours, it's ours" ...England has held it for freakin' 500 years. How long do we have to be there until someone admits it's ours?
Let Scotland go, let 'em rot - freakin' idiots live off England, as does Wales.
...be serious, if you're going to start talking like that how about East Prussia going back to Germany; it was a seperate entity 'owned' by Poland that Brandenburg took. How about spliting Germany back up to Saxony, Magdeburg, Brandenburg, Kleve etc. Abolish the Netherlands and recreate the Dutch Republic - give Austrian Netherlands back to Austria. What about the Spanish Netherlands, give them back. And give Macedonia, Albania and Bosnia back to Greece, and Sicily. What about Italy, split that up too...give some back to the Holy Roman Empire.
What people should do is just face the map of today; unless you're willing to declare war and change the freakin' map like it's been done thousands of times in the past. Why should Scotland get its independance? We beat 'em, they signed the Act of Union in 1707 - it's ours.
And Northern Ireland back to Eire - well we own that too. Boll*cks to religious feuding; Prussia managed to accompany Catholics, Lutherins and Calvanists in 18th Century all in one country so Northern Ireland can bloody well make do as well.
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