2008 Elections - America Votes

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I stand to be corrected however if I recall McCain was very pro for the deregulation of banking laws dating back to the Reagan era ,
Was not Deregulation of banking laws an underlying reason US banks are hurting in this day and age?

Only one adjustment to that...

The banks are doing just fine, they merely want to do finer by having someone else cover the consequences of their greed... which was, in fact, made possible by "deregulation."

It's us who are hurting in this day and age.

Without causing a serious and truly bloody revolution, NEITHER candidate will be able to do very much about it, no matter which one is elected.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

How is it going to do that? What makes Obama a better candidate and more qualified to get us out of this situation? What qualifications does he have that makes this the tie breaker for him?

democrats already had been pushing the economic issue since a long time ago. also the democrats disagree in the form wich gop are taking the crisis. i readed that in ny is expected 40.000 people lose their jobs. considering ny as a thermometer of the rest of nation, it could be enought to make obama win in ohio, where analysts says could be the key state that year.

the image of mccain is attached with bush admin, if bush's economic rescue team fails now, the house goes down. and agian, analysts says is very dificult to bush or any other dont fail in that time.

im very interesting in read the translation and the reviews of this debate between obama and mccain. i think its a key moment too.

[Erich]

more baloney

the two candidates should wait till after the bail out is agreed upon. it is both parties fault they have not got this thing going in the first place but as far as I am concerned both the Freddies should of fallen in their own bile as we the American taxpayer are going to get it shoved down our throats and pulled out of our pockets no matter whom gets elected in November

the image of mc Cain and you said it juggs is that it is an image falsely made up by the media which forms it's own news instead of reporting the facts as they should. remember who controls our congress the last two years, the dumb-ass's from both parties haven't agreed on anything together for the last 25 years so I really do not see any speed to get things cranked up

[FLYBOYJ]

Well said Erich......

[JugBR]

in this last debate obama was clearly superior to mccain.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by JugBR

in this last debate obama was clearly superior to mccain.

A superior bullsh!tter....

[Maestro]

Actually FBJ, I don't know if I should laugh at your reply & picture or cry about the fact that (as the picture says) you're screwed up...

[JugBR]

with democrats you are less screwed ! you gonna like them !

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by JugBR

democrats already had been pushing the economic issue since a long time ago. also the democrats disagree in the form wich gop are taking the crisis. i readed that in ny is expected 40.000 people lose their jobs. considering ny as a thermometer of the rest of nation, it could be enought to make obama win in ohio, where analysts says could be the key state that year.

the image of mccain is attached with bush admin, if bush's economic rescue team fails now, the house goes down. and agian, analysts says is very dificult to bush or any other dont fail in that time.

im very interesting in read the translation and the reviews of this debate between obama and mccain. i think its a key moment too.

So the econimic issues are the only issues that Americans care about? Seriously now...

I think you should watch a more broader scope of news, that way you may get a better picture. Right now you are very biased. You know nothing about McCain but you judge him because of his party.

Do not take me wrong. I do not like McCain either, but Obama is not the Masiah that you all think he is. He is an inexperienced politician who is no less dirty then all of them.

Originally Posted by JugBR

with democrats you are less screwed ! you gonna like them !

What? And you know this because?

1. Do you know what issues Americans really take to heart? What issues will the Dems answer better? How will they make life better for Americans (not for people in Brazil!)?
2. What makes Dems better than Republicans, when they are all just dirty politicans?
3. What qualifications do you have, that makes you an expert on why Dems are better?

Seriously, dont just make comments. Your opinions are fine and you are allowed to have them, but explain why then.

Seriously I hope we elect McCain just to say **** you to the world!

[Njaco]

with democrats you are less screwed ! you gonna like them !

Jug, you can't be serious!!!

Almost every entitlement program that takes money out of my pockets was brought about by democrats!

The current shenanigans on Wall St. was brought about by Clinton's changing and messing with laws enacted by Carter!!

I can't remember one Republican that stood on courthouse steps shouting. "Segregation now, segregation forever!"

It was a democrat that took away free speech during WWI!

Its a democratic congress that has an approval rating below 10% while the president's is around 30%.

I could go on and on.......

The democrats don't trust me to think for myself.

[ToughOmbre]

One thing is evident by the last couple of posts.

With all due respect Jug, you know little to nothing about American politics. But typical of the liberal, world view of the USA.

TO

[Matt308]

Originally Posted by JugBR

with democrats you are less screwed ! you gonna like them !

As Njaco said, we like them 1/3 as much as the president.

Makes me think of the communists, "Don't worry comrade, eventually you will get used to the pain".

[Amsel]

During the current reign of the executive branch we have seen that the current politicians have little understanding or cares about the constitutional rights of the citizens of the republic. An economic state of emergencey is likely and martial law will be instated. Under the constitution martial law should not be instated for popular public rebellion. We are about to be saddled with a burdenous tax to save the CEO's and goverment under the threat of force. If you do not believe me try to rebel against the new taxes we are facing. You will be defeated by the enforcers of our enormous tax code. This is not what America is about. The time of the patriot has returned. You owe no allegiance to the federal goverment but to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Both candidates from what I have seen have little regard for our rights as citizens. Most good Americans can not see that our nation has been hijacked by the leftist radicals as well as by the special interest lobbies of numerous factions who do not have the nations interests at heart but only their own.

We have been caught between a rock and a hard spot and there is little that can be done about it except a popular uprising. I can only hope that the conservatives rebel before the socialists do. Or at least be able to have a decisive counter-revolution. I feel that under Mcain we will face the status quo and keep repeating the last decade until the end. And under Obama we will face a new socialist revolution. Obama is so dangerous to our country that I predict a military coup within two years of his election. The reds must always be stopped.

These things that I have commented on seem out of place in this great Republic, but it has come to this point due to apathy and neglect. We must by all means maintain a free society and continue to try to advance western civilization.

[Njaco]

During the current reign of the executive branch we have seen that the current politicians have little understanding or cares about the constitutional rights of the citizens of the republic.

Before anyone believes that this is the only president to "trample on" constitutional rights, look up the Sedition Act of 1918 for a start.

Perilous Times; Free Speech in Wartime from the Sedition Act of 1798 to the War on Terrorism

"To suppress criticism even further, Wilson sought aggressive censorship legislation. He asked Congress to draft what became the Espionage Act of 1917, making it a crime for anyone to interfere with the war effort through acts such as denouncing the draft. Even this was not enough for Wilson, who pushed passage of the Sedition Act of 1918, which imposed heavy penalties on anyone convicted of criticizing the Constitution, the government, the military, or the flag. The approximately 2,000 people who were convicted under the Sedition Act included, for example, citizens such as Rose Pastor Stokes and Eugene Debs, each of whom was sentenced to 10 years in prison for speeches criticizing the government’s motives for going to war. “Woodrow Wilson set the tone,” Prof. Stone declared, “of an utter intolerance for dissent and disagreement.” The courts did no better, as the Supreme Court upheld the convictions of those convicted under the two laws."

.....but it has come to this point due to apathy and neglect.

and that is the disease of the American Public. When voting percentages of 30 - 45% vote in any election, we have lost the concept of majority rules. When everyone complains about how bad Congress is but 90% of incumbents are voted back into office, its not all the politicians fault.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Actually FBJ, I don't know if I should laugh at your reply & picture or cry about the fact that (as the picture says) you're screwed up...

Why is that? Both of these candidates are out for them selves. Although I see McCain the lesser of 2 evils I have reservations about him and some of the pandering he's done over the years. In either case I hope the next 4 years go by real quick.