2008 Elections - America Votes

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Amsel

In my opinion there is a lack of understanding or something. My countrymen should be angered and pushed to the point of action. The faster the men of this once mighty republic wake up and smell the socialism the better.

Believe me when I say this. There is always someone conspiring somewhere all the time. Especially when vast fortunes are to be made. It angers me when it is at the expense of my family and my fellow Americans who I love dearly. To deny this is at the least naive and possibly even suicidal. I have not stated anything extreme in this thread. I have only uttered what many Americans have been uttering among there close friends lately. I hope these utterings become deafening.

I am one of your countrymen, and I do not consider myself naive. Then again though, I work for the government, so I guess that makes me the enemy.

[Amsel]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I am one of your countrymen, and I do not consider myself naive. Then again though, I work for the government, so I guess that makes me the enemy.

The goverment shouldn't be the enemy of it's own countries patriots in my opinion. But that is the nature of the beast. I doubt you are my enemy though. You do not seem like a socialist or a marxist. Now in my opinion, Obama has already stated his opinions about the silent majority, and they reek of international communism and bigotry against western ideals.

As long as the goverment behaves itself I am happy, but that is not the current trend.

[FLYBOYJ]

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

[Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper]


Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 millionare directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want.If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.



They vote their own pay raises for themselves because they want it that way.



There are no unsolvable government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone,should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!






Charlie Reese is a former columnistof the Orlando SentinelNewspaper.






What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.





1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope 'they'do something about it.





2. You can agreeto vote against everyone that is currently in office,knowing that the process will take several years.





3. You can decideto'run for office'yourself and agreeto do the job properly.





4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.





YOU DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST SENDIT TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, MAYBESOMEONE IN THERE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

[Bluehawk]

^ Nice one... and, Hallelujah!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Amsel

The goverment shouldn't be the enemy of it's own countries patriots in my opinion. But that is the nature of the beast. I doubt you are my enemy though. You do not seem like a socialist or a marxist. Now in my opinion, Obama has already stated his opinions about the silent majority, and they reek of international communism and bigotry against western ideals.

As long as the goverment behaves itself I am happy, but that is not the current trend.

No, but even though I do not really care for socialism, I do not think it is evil either. Also I am not naive eneogh to compare it to marxism and communism.

[ccheese]

That's a good piece, Joe. And, good advise, too...

Charles

[JugBR]

Palin: Bailout is about healthcare!

YouTube - Palin: Bailout is about healthcare!

[pbfoot]

I finally voted in this straw poll and opted for Obama, the reason I opted for him is he has walked the higher road in terms of slander and innuendo. Mccain and Palin have lost my respect , he is a brave man but that has been tarnished by him and his running mates attitude

[Njaco]

Pb, I don't know why you have that opinion but from what I'm seeing on the TV and in print, Olabama has been equally if not more slanderous and without merit in his attacks on McCain.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Pb, I don't know why you have that opinion but from what I'm seeing on the TV and in print, Olabama has been equally if not more slanderous and without merit in his attacks on McCain.

fighting fire with fire , I think Mccain looks like a bitter and twisted old man , if anything he should be bitter and twisted against GW as if it weren't for the campaign slander there Mccain would have been Pres in the time you needed him after 9/11 . That is just my opinion not that it means squat

[Njaco]

Hey, I understand, perspective is what it is. I have to laugh at the commercials Olabama is throwing around down here. Its as if he has no clue.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Hey, I understand, perspective is what it is. I have to laugh at the commercials Olabama is throwing around down here. Its as if he has no clue.

Through the magic of satellite I get the commercials from Detroit, Buffalo, Rochester, and Seattle and Erie Pa . Mccain is really pumping them out in Michigan, don't think anyone is wasting money on Western New York.
Thought I'd show a Canadian Ad for our election
this guy is left of left and I and some others call him Taliban Jack

YouTube - Jack Layton TV ad: Chalk Talk - The Economy

[Bluehawk]

If things don't pick up pretty quick here, it's looking like McCain is gonna experience a clock cleaning in about a month.

Blacks, feministas, old Lefties and yoots are on the verge of getting what they wished for.

[ccheese]

Originally Posted by Bluehawk

If things don't pick up pretty quick here, it's looking like McCain is gonna experience a clock cleaning in about a month.

Blacks, feministas, old Lefties and yoots are on the verge of getting what they wished for.

I really don't like to get in the middle of these political rants, because other
people's eyes don't seem to be seeing what I'm seeing. Palin has done
nothing but attack Obama, and most of her info is incorect. For instance,
the latest attack refers to the "94 times he voted against something" The
actual figures were 32 times.... McCain and Palin are stretching the truth,
or only repeating half truths.

I don't want you to tell me the faults of the other guy..... tell me what
you are going to do to make my country better. Tell me how you are
going to improve my life in this great country of ours. Tell me when or
how you plan on ending this Iraqi war. Tell me when our sons and
daughters are coming home. That's what I want to hear !!!

Last nights debate [which I did not see] was reported by the talking heads
on Good Morning America and by George Stephanopolous, as "pretty much
even", with a slight nod going to Obama. Most were very disappointed in
McCain's one remark about something that Obama voted for and McCain
voted against [or the other way around] and all thought it was in extemely
poor taste. They also said that McCain "danced around some questions"
rather that give an answer.

There are those on this forum that think Bush is the greatest thing since
sliced bread. My eyes do not see this. He did do the best he could with
the cronies he has surrounded himself with. He's made some really poor
decisions...... remember Harriette Miers ???

Five months ago I stated publicly [on this forum] that I was going to vote
for McCain. Believe me... I'm having second thoughts about it. I do not
want another four years of the Bush Doctrine.... and it looks like that's
where it's headed.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, I will sit back and read whatever
anyone wants to say, but I will say no more.

Charles

[renrich]

To me, the interesting thing about this election is that the polls show the two candidates as being fairly close, some within the margin of error. By all rights the dimocrat should be well out in front. Everything is loaded in their favor, a GOP president the last 8 years so normally the other party wins, an unpopular war( although probably won) in Iraq, the economy in a rough patch for which Bush and the GOP get the blame, (undeservedly) a main stream media unabashedly for Obama(mainly because of his race) a GOP candidate with luke warm support from a goodly number of his own party. Yet the race could still be won by McCain. IMO, shows what a weak candidate Obama is. If the dims had nominated some moderate candidate or even Hillarita, they would have a slam dunk victory, similar to the Johnson-Goldwater race.