2008 Elections - America Votes

ToughOmbre · 08-24-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

TO ..... the election will be won in the midwest and southern states (rural areas).

Obama needed someone with conservative credentials from that area. And he chose the worst type of mouthpiece to stump for him.

Right. I would have taken a Sam Nunn type.

TO

pbfoot · 08-24-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wilbur1

What I want in a pres.

1. He will sing the pledge of allegience to the U.S.A.

2. He will DEFINITLY not try to take my guns

3.He will not write in his own book that if it goes south he will not let the Muslim brothers take things into his own hands.

Relax no one will take your guns , the gun issue IMHO is a non issue except certain groups are making a non issue into a campaign issue to prevent the NRA vote moving
The 2nd one is not even a campaign issue IMHO
As for 3 I know not what you say
The issues should be
Taxes
the debt
immigration
the debt
health care
the debt

ccheese · 08-24-2008, 07:21 PM

I have, as yet, not cast a vote. I am truly amazed, that in this great
country of ours..... with all the great people we have, how we come up
with two losers like McCain and Obama to be our next president. There has
got to be someone... somewhere... in this great nation, who would be a better
choice. Honestly I don't like either one of them. One has absolutely no
experience in any affaires de government, the other one is a rubber stamp
of dub-ya. I may stay home on election day. That way I can honestly say
{regardless of who wins].... I didn't vote for him !!

And, for what it's worth... all my life I have voted Democrat.

Charles

freebird · 08-24-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

Biden is the type of guy (long established liberal from a small eastern state) that will certainly motivate conservatives to get out and vote for McCain.

A dumb move by Obama.

Huh?

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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

Obama alone should be enough for conservatives to get out and vote for McCain. But you're right, Obama should have picked a more conservative Dem (if there is such a thing) to balance the ticket.

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TO Biden IS from the conservative side of the Democrats. He is more hawkish on foreign policy, and supportive of funding for the Military. As a candidate he got a FAILING grade from the ACLU for his support of the defence of marriage act and a FAILING grade from Planned Parenthood for voting to ban late-term abortion and for voting to override Clinton's veto of it. His son is going to Iraq as part of the Delaware NG. He is more pro-life than any other Democratic contender, and the ONLY one to condemn the "General Betray Us" ad, which he did IMMEDIATLY the next day.

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Originally Posted by from National Journal

None of the other Democratic candidates chose to repudiate MoveOn.org's "General Betray Us" ad. It is hardly surprising, given the fact that Biden has been the only one to condemn the ad...

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Originally Posted by syscom3

TO ..... the election will be won in the midwest and southern states (rural areas).

Obama needed someone with conservative credentials from that area. And he chose the worst type of mouthpiece to stump for him.

Disagree with you Syscom. The only "Midwest & Southern" states in play are probably Iowa, New Mexico & Colarado, and the problem is not there, 2 of the 3 will probably go to Obama with or without Biden. The BIG problem that Obama has is with White, lower class working folks, & Catholics, which is exactly Biden's demographic. Obama is having trouble in Ohio, Pennsylvania & Michigan with these type of rural blue collar democrats. Biden was born in Scranton to a lower class Catholic family and you will no doubt see Biden campaign heavily in these 3 states. If Obama loses 2 of those 3 - he's done.

Richardson would have helped with CO & NM agreed, but they have 14 electoral, MI & PA have about 40

mkloby · 08-24-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

thats exactly what US politics needs someone that says what he means and Biden does do that . His son is National Guard and on the way to Iraq WTF do you guys want . He sure ain't no Dick Cheney and that would make me happy

What does Biden's son being in the Guard have to do with Biden? Many people say what they mean, which is respectable, but doesn't mean that I agree with them!

pbfoot · 08-24-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mkloby

What does Biden's son being in the Guard have to do with Biden? Many people say what they mean, which is respectable, but doesn't mean that I agree with them!

I'm not familiar with any senior republicans kids being their . I could be mistaken however ,

freebird · 08-24-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mkloby

What does Biden's son being in the Guard have to do with Biden? Many people say what they mean, which is respectable, but doesn't mean that I agree with them!

Biden's son could have avoided Iraq service if he wanted, he is Delaware's current Attorney General which would exempt him. He chose to serve. Speaks about his charachter, and by implication, that of his father. If he had refused to go and tossed his medals over the White House fence it would have said something about the family too.

Mkloby, I don't know if you are pro-life or not {I am}, but a Democrat from a BLUE state who votes with his conscience and against his President {Clinton} to ban late-term abortion earns my respect for his honesty, even if I don't agree with him on everything.

On the other hand a Republican mayor or governor who is "100% pro-abortion" until he seeks the Presidential nomination and then "suddenly" changes his mind, earns little respect, except for those who like pandering.

He was the only Democrat who had the b***s to condemn the Move-on "Betray Us" ad, and risk their wrath, the others kept quiet & kept the $$$$.

mkloby · 08-24-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Biden's son could have avoided Iraq service if he wanted, he is Delaware's current Attorney General which would exempt him. He chose to serve. Speaks about his charachter, and by implication, that of his father. If he had refused to go and tossed his medals over the White House fence it would have said something about the family too..

I'm still not seeing how the son's actions are representative of the father??? If I were to, for example, volunteer and take an IA and go to Iraq - would that be a reflection on MY father????

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Originally Posted by freebird

Mkloby, I don't know if you are pro-life or not {I am}, but a Democrat from a BLUE state who votes with his conscience and against his President {Clinton} to ban late-term abortion earns my respect for his honesty, even if I don't agree with him on everything...

I am pro-life. I would agree with that statement.

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Originally Posted by freebird

He was the only Democrat who had the b***s to condemn the Move-on "Betray Us" ad, and risk their wrath, the others kept quiet & kept the $$$$.

Lieberman is another democrat that felt the wrath for not towing the party line well enough.

pbfoot · 08-24-2008, 09:13 PM

Not a reflection on his Dad at all , but his Dad certainly is not sending some unknown innocent in harms way

ToughOmbre · 08-24-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

Not a reflection on his Dad at all , but his Dad certainly is not sending some unknown innocent in harms way

Define "unknown innocent". Not sure what you're trying to say pb.

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JugBR · 08-25-2008, 12:00 AM

i voted for obama.

need to xplain why ?

freebird · 08-25-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mkloby

I'm still not seeing how the son's actions are representative of the father??? If I were to, for example, volunteer and take an IA and go to Iraq - would that be a reflection on MY father????

Actually it probably would. {Or stepfather, adopted father etc}. Never met you, but I understand you are a US Marine, which tells alot about character right there.

{to me anyways} I guess what I'm saying is that the son often follows the father's example, usually it is patriotic families that serve.

The fact that Biden has voted for bills to improve military funding {body armor, hardening Humvees etc} supports this. As opposed to Kerry who felt that "uneducated losers" end up in the military. {I'm paraphrasing}

Character is important to me, I like the fact that he hasn't divorced his wife {re-married after 1st wife died}, or fooled around. Even if I supported Clinton's {either one!} policies, I wouldn't vote to put that guy back in the White House. Guiliani & Edwards would be DOA for me as candidates too. If a candidate can't keep his marriage vows, can he keep his oath of office?

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Originally Posted by mkloby

I am pro-life. I would agree with that statement.

Lieberman is another democrat that felt the wrath for not towing the party line well enough.

I think Lieberman was off-track as regards to the war, but the big knock on him is that he is solidly pro-choice.

syscom3 · 08-25-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JugBR

i voted for obama.

need to xplain why ?

Yes. We all need a laugh from time to time.

freebird · 08-25-2008, 01:21 AM

Syscom. the best thing about Biden: In event of "worst case scenario" {Obama wins} I would prefer to have Biden as VP, better than Hill, better than Edwards, better than Richardson.

At least 1 of the 2 people in the White House will have a clue what's going on...

mkloby · 08-25-2008, 05:53 AM

Freebird - I see what you say in a sense... although I'm cynical because I would not consider anything I do any sort of reflection on my father for various reasons.