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10-17-2008, 09:23 AM
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Country:  | I don't believe for one minute that BOH has any different views today than when he attended the church where Wright preached. He and his wife are both racists and it is foolishness to say that just because they associated with racists and terrorists and people like Franklin Raines, they don't share their views. Imagine what the media would be saying if McCain and Cindy had similar associations. If you lie down with dogs you will get fleas. Another issue which has come up in this discussion which I believe is critical is the question of a troop buildup in Afghanistan. I believe that McCain is smart enough not to try to put in enough troops to "conquer" the country. The British could not do it and the Soviets could not do it and if we try it we are going to plow up a mess of snakes. That could be BOH's downfall if he is elected but even his downfall would not be worth the cost in American lives and treasure. | 
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10-17-2008, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluehawk  [...]Thank you for your support,
David
David Plouffe
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10-17-2008, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich is critical is the question of a troop buildup in Afghanistan. I believe that McCain is smart enough not to try to put in enough troops to "conquer" the country. . | Not conquer but get OBL if the mission is to conquer I'll be first in line to get the Canadian troops out of Afghanistan .I would at that point become virulently anti american for wasting our lives into your silly forays . | |
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10-17-2008, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Not conquer but get OBL if the mission is to conquer I'll be first in line to get the Canadian troops out of Afghanistan .I would at that point become virulently anti american for wasting our lives into your silly forays . | I don't see how "getting" bin Laden is of any strategic importance... it won't change a single thing. Stabilizing the area is of greater importance. Conquer was never in the cards.
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10-17-2008, 08:33 PM
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#290 | | aka Dickcheese
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An actual voice of reason. Thankyou, mkloby. This is a multi-headed hydra. Bin Laden is nothing more than a populist figure of the real issue. Kinda like the Zodiac Killer, Son of Sam or Ted Bundy. They are all symptoms. You want to spend $Billions? Who gives a crap about them. You have to have a strategic sense accomplishment here folks.
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10-17-2008, 08:42 PM
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Country: | Huh? You mean 9/11 and Al Qaeda were not the reasons we went to Afghanistan .We wouldn't be within a 1000 miles of Afghanistan if wasn't for 9/11 and Al Qaeda it would have remained the backwater it always was . | |
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10-17-2008, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Ahhhhh... like a cool drink on a summer day.
An actual voice of reason. Thankyou, mkloby. This is a multi-headed hydra. Bin Laden is nothing more than a populist figure of the real issue. Kinda like the Zodiac Killer, Son of Sam or Ted Bundy. They are all symptoms. You want to spend $Billions? Who gives a crap about them. You have to have a strategic sense accomplishment here folks. | Yeah... Plus the fact that if ever we catch him (bin Laden), what are we gonna do with him anyway ?
Kill him ? It would make a martyr out of him.
Throw him in a secret CIA jail ? In your dreams.
Kill him and bury him in a secret place so deep that no one will ever find him ? I vote for that, but it won't change anything... Al Qaida will still be strong.
Nah, bring stability in that friggin country. That will teach those Talibans not to mess with us.
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10-17-2008, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Huh? You mean 9/11 and Al Qaeda were not the reasons we went to Afghanistan .We wouldn't be within a 1000 miles of Afghanistan if wasn't for 9/11 and Al Qaeda it would have remained the backwater it always was . | Perhaps WE wouldn't. But the U.S. must. If the world won't give a rip, the US will.
1983 Marine barracks bombed
1985 Frankfurt discoteque
1993 World Trade Center parking garage bombed
1995 Saudia Arabia bombing linked to Islamic Tigers of the Gulf
1996 Khubar Towars bombed
1998 Embassy bombed in Nariobi
1998 Embassy bombed in Kenya
1998 Embassy bombed in Dar es Salaam
1998 Embassy attacked in Beirut
1999 Algerian intercepted with trunk full of explosives at Canadian border
2000 Yemen bombing of USS Cole
2001 09/11 Bombings
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting by Egyptian
At some point in time you must recognize that something is afoot to undermine your citizens safety. In America, we don't put up with it.
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10-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Perhaps WE wouldn't. But the U.S. must. If the world won't give a rip, the US will.
1983 Marine barracks bombed
1985 Frankfurt discoteque
1993 World Trade Center parking garage bombed
1995 Saudia Arabia bombing linked to Islamic Tigers of the Gulf
1996 Khubar Towars bombed
1998 Embassy bombed in Nariobi
1998 Embassy bombed in Kenya
1998 Embassy bombed in Dar es Salaam
1998 Embassy attacked in Beirut
1999 Algerian intercepted with trunk full of explosives at Canadian border
2000 Yemen bombing of USS Cole
2001 09/11 Bombings
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting by Egyptian
At some point in time you must recognize that something is afoot to undermine your citizens safety. In America, we don't put up with it. | Welcome home... and:
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American embassy in Iran, hostages held
2003-2008
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi, Spanish, British, Afghani, Israeli, Pakistani, Saudi, Egyptian, Lebanese and American innocent citizens or fighters murdered or killed
Somebody had to turn and face them... at long last.
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10-17-2008, 11:30 PM
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#295 | | aka Dickcheese
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10-18-2008, 06:33 AM
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Country: | The statement was made that Obama would find his Waterloo with the "conquering" of Afghanistan . I don't think conquering Afghanistan was the Raison Etre for the mission it was to find Al Qaeda and its leaders and remove them with a mission sidelight of cleaning up the place . Obama wants to both past and present to concentrate on OBL and I agree with him and the guy is 100% right . | |
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10-18-2008, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot The statement was made that Obama would find his Waterloo with the "conquering" of Afghanistan . I don't think conquering Afghanistan was the Raison Etre for the mission it was to find Al Qaeda and its leaders and remove them with a mission sidelight of cleaning up the place . Obama wants to both past and present to concentrate on OBL and I agree with him and the guy is 100% right . | Clearly, PB, you should know that the US has no intention of conquering A-stan. That's just gibberish. Sadly, bin Laden is really irrelevent from today's world, and his capture or death would not change anything (in my mind it would only put a fire in the gut of more extremists). How could someone want the past to do anything? I don't understand that part. And also, PB, there are already plans in place, that have been made public, to place more of an emphasis on Afghanistan! Whether McCain or Obama gets elected is not going to change anything in that sense one bit! It's simple rhetoric.
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10-18-2008, 08:03 AM
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Country: | If you read carefully I said "conquer" which means some effort to go in and control or stablise events in the country, not "take over" the country. An effort to go in and prop up or support a certain government in Afghanistan with major military forces will likely result in an experience similar to that of the Soviets. The situation in Pakistan and Afghanistan is probably not susceptible to a permanent military solution. Just so you know, PB, your statement about "our silly forays" is very offensive to me and tells me much about your politics. | |
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10-18-2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Not conquer but get OBL if the mission is to conquer I'll be first in line to get the Canadian troops out of Afghanistan .I would at that point become virulently anti american for wasting our lives into your silly forays . | That is a rather insulting remark. What is so silly about it our war in Afghanistan?
Wasting your lives?
Thats right put more blame on the US. Keep showing your true colors, PB...
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10-18-2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Don't agree with me Bluehawk. You make me nervous. |  | |
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