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10-20-2008, 10:58 AM
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Country:  | Why else would Powell endorse BHO and criticise McCain for mentioning the Ayer's connection with obama unless he is a racist and or a left wing idealogue? He has claimed that he was a Republican so that ostensibly rules out that he is far left. Please try to explain why powell would endorse obama unless it is racism. Even the right wing talk show hosts are afraid to mention racism but I am not. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. | 
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10-20-2008, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by renrich  Why else would Powell endorse BHO and criticise McCain for mentioning the Ayer's connection with obama unless he is a racist and or a left wing idealogue? He has claimed that he was a Republican so that ostensibly rules out that he is far left. Please try to explain why powell would endorse obama unless it is racism. Even the right wing talk show hosts are afraid to mention racism but I am not. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. | Exactly ren!
Funny how B. Hussein supporters cry racism with regard to potential preferences between white and black voters. But I'll guarantee this.....
BHO will get a far greater percentage of black voters than McCain will get of white voters. Think the "main stream media" will ever mention this?
As I said to bearcat earlier in this thread, racism is not confined to the white race, and this political season proves it.
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10-20-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by renrich Why else would Powell endorse BHO and criticise McCain for mentioning the Ayer's connection with obama unless he is a racist and or a left wing idealogue? He has claimed that he was a Republican so that ostensibly rules out that he is far left. Please try to explain why powell would endorse obama unless it is racism. Even the right wing talk show hosts are afraid to mention racism but I am not. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. | Something for consideration...
What Powell is doing with his endorsement is about as IMpersonal (and therefore not "racist") as it could possibly be without being non-existent.
Leftist partisans may rejoice today that "their candidate" has "won" the endorsement of a conservative former military commander and Secretary of State... but I believe such enthusiasm misunderstands what the General did, degrades his gesture and may well be regretted in coming years if Obama wins.
Most people whose talking heads get in the news tend to want us to believe that general elections are about candidates, by name. Most of them, also, tend to be ferociously partisan... almost mindlessly.
Some rare few leaders and citizens realize that, alternatively, a vote should be given to the person (not the party) MOST likely - under current and projected conditions - to provide sound, wise, intelligent, politically supportable, tempered, patient, pragmatic, moral decisions; regardless of party affiliation.
I believe, and take seriously, a General Powell making the kind of statement he did, and it in no sense whatsoever could possibly have been "racist". To think that a man such as he is could have gone through a career in the military, which is doubtless the LEAST racist organization currently known, and come out making facile racist proclamations is just plain silly.
Powell's post-military life has been an exemplar of working within an American promise rather than against it.
His endorsement is genuine. It will influence some votes, no doubt. There are still many many people at the margins on the fence, people who take this thing seriously for the sake of our nation, and not for the sake of a political party - people who simply have not yet made up their minds, for good sensible reasons. I am one of them.
It is his, and our, constitutional right to vote as we please - despite incessant and obnoxious (if not sometimes criminal) party attempts to fiddle with our districts, primaries, voter registration, debates and the electoral college.
The outright racism which is part of this election favoring Obama cannot be denied - and will predictably backfire if he wins. But, I simply do not think Powell is or would ever be any part of it.
This election is going to be decided by votes in the hundreds, not millions or hundreds of thousands.
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10-20-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich Why else would Powell endorse BHO and criticise McCain for mentioning the Ayer's connection with obama unless he is a racist and or a left wing idealogue? He has claimed that he was a Republican so that ostensibly rules out that he is far left. Please try to explain why powell would endorse obama unless it is racism. Even the right wing talk show hosts are afraid to mention racism but I am not. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. | I still think you are going completely overboard on calling General Powell
a racist just because he endorsed Obama.
If I said I support Obama would you call me a racist ? Would you consider
me a racist for not supporting a white man ?
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Originally Posted by renrich Powell has revealed his true colors and he is a racist! | While I disagree with Powell and why he is endorsing Obama, I would not call him a racist for it.
Give me 3 examples of proof that makes Powell a racist because he endorses Obama.
Do not make remarks like that unless you have proof to back it up, and in this case there is none.
To call someone a racist is pretty low shot in my opinion. Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Powell was a sacrificial lamb of the Bush administration, mainly by the hands of Cheney and Rumsfeld. It’s unfortunate because I believe he is a man of integrity. When he resigned as Secretary of State the writing was on the wall that this administration has some serous problems. | Agreed, I consider Powell a great man. I find it unfortunate that he is endorsing Obama though.
If Powell had run for President, I would have voted for him.
I have shaken his hand on several occasions and I find him a very honorable man. Quote:
Originally Posted by renrich Why else would Powell endorse BHO and criticise McCain for mentioning the Ayer's connection with obama unless he is a racist and or a left wing idealogue? He has claimed that he was a Republican so that ostensibly rules out that he is far left. Please try to explain why powell would endorse obama unless it is racism. Even the right wing talk show hosts are afraid to mention racism but I am not. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. | That does not buy it.
I guess I am racist against Black people because I am voting for a white guy. Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluehawk The outright racism which is part of this election favoring Obama cannot be denied - and will predictably backfire if he wins. But, I simply do not think Powell is or would ever be any part of it. | Agreed.
Calling Powell a Racist because he supports Obama is pretty naive and quite possibly rather childish. To me it is no better than the people that vote for someone because of their color.
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10-20-2008, 03:59 PM
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Racist? Probably not. There's truly no way to know that because I don't know what's in his heart.
But do I think that Powell, a black man, endorsed Obama because he is black?
Absolutely!
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10-20-2008, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre But do I think that Powell, a black man, endorsed Obama because he is black?
Absolutely!
TO | Prove that...
I think a more logical reason is because of how he was burned by the Bush Administration. Powell has not thought too highly of the Republican Party for quite some time now.
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Country: | Chris is absolutely correct, the reason Herr Powell dropped off the face of the earth in the first place and had nothing to do with the present admin. | |
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10-20-2008, 04:41 PM
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Country: | I can't prove that powell is a racist and please notice I started my comments with IMO. The reason I call him a racist is because I believe he endorsed BHO because of his color or race. That makes him a racist in my book just as most of you would call me a racist if I would not vote for BHO because of his color. We live in a dangerous world. Perhaps as dangerous as in all our history. Afghanistan and Pakistan are in a very unstable situation. Need I remind you that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. I am not concerned that they launch a nuclear strike on us but I am concerned that they might allow by design or accident a nuclear weapon to fall into the hands of terrorists. Even nuclear material in a "dirty bomb" if set off in one of our major cities could be a catastrophe and if you think the economic situation is bad today, just think about what it would be like if a "dirty bomb" went off on Wall Street, not even mentioning the loss of life. It is inconceivable to me that powell, with his experience and background does not understand how dangerous our world is and how the paramount duty of the president of the US is the security of our country. It is also inconceivable to me that he actually believes that BHO would be a better commander in chief than McCain. Because he is mad at McCain for questioning obama's patriotism by bringing up obama's association with the terrorist Ayers is not a good reason to support obama. So powell is either stupid or a socialist or a racist or maybe all three. Still looks like a duck to me. | |
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Originally Posted by renrich I can't prove that powell is a racist and please notice I started my comments with IMO. The reason I call him a racist is because I believe he endorsed BHO because of his color or race. That makes him a racist in my book just as most of you would call me a racist if I would not vote for BHO because of his color. We live in a dangerous world. Perhaps as dangerous as in all our history. Afghanistan and Pakistan are in a very unstable situation. Need I remind you that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. I am not concerned that they launch a nuclear strike on us but I am concerned that they might allow by design or accident a nuclear weapon to fall into the hands of terrorists. Even nuclear material in a "dirty bomb" if set off in one of our major cities could be a catastrophe and if you think the economic situation is bad today, just think about what it would be like if a "dirty bomb" went off on Wall Street, not even mentioning the loss of life. It is inconceivable to me that powell, with his experience and background does not understand how dangerous our world is and how the paramount duty of the president of the US is the security of our country. It is also inconceivable to me that he actually believes that BHO would be a better commander in chief than McCain. Because he is mad at McCain for questioning obama's patriotism by bringing up obama's association with the terrorist Ayers is not a good reason to support obama. So powell is either stupid or a socialist or a racist or maybe all three. Still looks like a duck to me. | All those other reasons are fine. Like I said, I disagree with him supporting Obama as well, but that does not make him a racist. Nor has Powell given any reason to believe that he is a racist. Seriously man...
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Prove that...
I think a more logical reason is because of how he was burned by the Bush Administration. Powell has not thought too highly of the Republican Party for quite some time now. | Proof? No, it's an opinion. I can not prove it, no more than you can disprove it. Gut feelings, opinions don't have to be proved.
But your point about Powell being burned by the Bush administration is well taken. And what he (Powell) thinks about the Republican party is your opinion.
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10-20-2008, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich Because he is mad at McCain for questioning obama's patriotism by bringing up obama's association with the terrorist Ayers is not a good reason to support obama. | That is the most troubling thing that Powell has stated in his endorsement/defense of Obama.
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10-20-2008, 05:35 PM
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Country: | The General's own reason for making the Obama choice was that he regards the candidate as being a "transformative figure on the world and American political scene..." (periphrasing)...
That he certainly is!
I choose to take the honorable General at his word, and ONLY at his word... without inferring my own prejudices or ulterior motives into what he said.
Colin Powell has zero reason to vote in a racial manner for anyone, at anytime. He's conscious of racism, just as are we all - white, black, brown, red, yellow.
Try living as a white in New Mexico for a few years - the meaning of racism will take on a whole new dimension probably never before known to most people... because MOST of it happens between the hispanics and indians, both of whom generally despise whites (but are VERY delighted to accept our money  )
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10-20-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluehawk The General's own reason for making the Obama choice was that he regards the candidate as being a "transformative figure on the world and American political scene | What is a "transformative figure"?
Is that like "change"?
Cuts both ways.
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