2008 Elections - America Votes

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

What is a "transformative figure"?

Is that like "change"?

Cuts both ways.

TO

I believe it does, too.

"Change" is a laughable 2 cent word politicians use to get the votes of the 40% who would have voted for them anyway... even Nixon used it, so did Clinton and Perot - and McCain.

A "transformative figure", one supposes, is someone who by their own charisma (which Obama seems to have a surplus of) are able to persuade huge numbers of people to at least give them a fair hearing, before the honeymoon is totally over.

In Obama's case, it certainly will also be a "transformative" moment for America to have a negro family in the white house. That is pretty much transformative by definition, I guess - given all the sack cloth and ashes white America has been forced to wear for the past 50 years.

It isn't as if there haven't been other opportunities for the black race to have one of their own win the election - Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Allen Keyes, that Illinois Senator lady who made the unwise insult about Daughters of the Confederacy and (someone who really would have been a good one for all), Shirley Chisholm back when. What makes Obama different is that he is somehow found to be acceptable to sufficient numbers of whites, hispanics, women, Democrats AND a huge enormous vast majority of blacks.

That with a cappuccino coffee and (to date) roughly $600,000,000 plus change in donations is gonna get him to approximately most of the votes needed to win the election - so, IF he can get those votes in the right states, then the electoral college (not us voters) will make him our next President.

It would BE a transformation, from Republican to Democrat administration (and probably the Congress) and in a whole passle of other ways too... IF, it happens.

In 2 weeks' time a whole lot can and usually does happen.

[renrich]

What he means is, to boil it down, is that it will transform America and it's politics to have a black man in the White House. He also said that obama had met the test of being president, that he was a good speaker and then added he also has substance. I say BS. If that is not racism, then I don't know what racism is. Also IMO he has broken his oath. He took an oath at West Point to protect this country. He is now trying to help a wet behind the ears novice become president because it will be "healthy" for our country when his opponent clearly by any standards is better suited to preserve and protect our country.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

Proof? No, it's an opinion. I can not prove it, no more than you can disprove it. Gut feelings, opinions don't have to be proved.

But your point about Powell being burned by the Bush administration is well taken. And what he (Powell) thinks about the Republican party is your opinion.

TO

You are certainly allowed your opinion, but I think this one is pretty far out there.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by renrich

What he means is, to boil it down, is that it will transform America and it's politics to have a black man in the White House. He also said that obama had met the test of being president, that he was a good speaker and then added he also has substance. I say BS. If that is not racism, then I don't know what racism is. Also IMO he has broken his oath. He took an oath at West Point to protect this country. He is now trying to help a wet behind the ears novice become president because it will be "healthy" for our country when his opponent clearly by any standards is better suited to preserve and protect our country.

Do you have a problem with a black man in office?

I do not think that Obama is the right man for president, but it is not because of his race.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

You are certainly allowed your opinion, but I think this one is pretty far out there.

Judging by the reaction of the blacks in America to the acquittal of an obviously guilty OJ Simpson back in 1994, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that 96-97 percent of the black voters will be pulling the switch for Obama.

The issue of race is alive and well in this election.

TO

[ccheese]

I still think it's pretty low to call a man a racist, on a public forum, when you
have no proof.

Charles

[renrich]

Chris, I am not sure what you mean by having a problem in offense but if you mean do I have a problem with a black as president, the answer is no. I don't know what her overall politics is but if she was a conservative, I think Condy Rice could make an excellent president. There are undoubtedly many unwhite people who could make a good president. There was talk of Colin Powell as president. I always suspected he was too far left for my tastes but if he had conservative values, I would have voted for him. The fact is that if you listen to powell's endorsement of BHO, the main characteristics he mentioned which qualify obama are that he is articulate and by the way has substance and he can transform the political landscape here in the US which is a euphemism for, because he is black it will somehow help our country be a better country. In other words, just like Geraldine Ferraro said during the primaries, the only reason he is the candidate is because he is black! If you want to call it reverse racism that is fine with me but it is still racism. The result is that we are probably going to wind up with an ultra liberal, inexperienced president whose sole qualification is that he is at least partly black and that will help our country atone for the sins of slavery and will make black people feel good about themselves and our country. Couple that with a congress controlled by a political party which has turned far left and we will see run away socialism and decisions made on the international scene which will, I predict, make the world a more dangerous place for everyone. Chris, I hope you are right and I am wrong and that powell used his best judgment when he endorsed obama and that his judgment is sound and not swayed by racism. You will be on the frontier in Alaska and maybe not too much impacted by the next eight years and I will not be around too much longer and all the new social programs may be good for us really old guys but young people today will never know the joys that I knew growing up in the United States in the 30s, 40s and 1950s. I am sorry that some people are offended by my opinions. It is only my opinion and opinons don't have to be proved. If someone is offended, one can always get one's TS card punched by the chaplain.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

Judging by the reaction of the blacks in America to the acquittal of an obviously guilty OJ Simpson back in 1994, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that 96-97 percent of the black voters will be pulling the switch for Obama.

The issue of race is alive and well in this election.

TO

Not sure I am capable of articulating my thought properly, but I 100% agree with what you just said there...

It has troubled me ever since that OJ verdict, that blacks would take such a knee-jerk response to anything having to do with their race. This isn't 100% true of ALL black folks, but it sure as hell is true of an enormous number of them. And, the scary part is that (in my opinion) their predictable reactions have been conditioned into them by family, educators, church leaders, ethnocentric social groups and the MSM for 50-60 years... every bit as racist as can possibly be.

So, as shameful as it may be, it is a good bet that a great many blacks will vote for Obama strictly racially and for no other reason whatsoever. It wouldn't matter what his policies or past were.

What is different, for them, this time is that they believe rightly that their candidate could actually win the election - and that once in office he will be at their beck and call for every conceivable race-based program imaginable. They will be disappointed, but it for sure WILL come up, fairly constantly while he's in office - IF he gets in office.

Years ago a fellow (cannot remember his name, it was a LONG time ago) had the nerve to publish a thoughtful article about the strategic intent of black civil rights leadership to sustain racial guilt as long as possible for the specific purpose of gaining economic assets and influence. Not out of a sense of moral authority, but rather from the standpoint of political power to be used by that leadership for their own purposes. I am sure that that idea was reasonable, as proven by subsequent events over the decades... although he was ferociously attacked as being a racist when it was published. Barack and Michelle Obama are products of that crusade, and much will be expected of them in return.

I doubt very much that most blacks of those who would vote in the way we are discussing realize how they have been bamboozled by their own people.

OJ may be going to the pokey after all... where, I am confident, he will meet some guys who do not give a rat's behind about his superior or oppressed blackness... OR his Heisman trophy.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by renrich

...If someone is offended, one can always get one's TS card punched by the chaplain.

Good line... haven't heard that one for about 40 years or better.

Well said.

[renrich]

A relic of the military in the late 50s early 60s. I used that once to a golf course ranger in Vegas and after thinking about it a minute he came roaring back in his golf cart to reminisce.

[Erich]

I'll put it in my most blunt and gracious attitude......who gives a living S*** about Powell right now, the parties are still not talking issues but continue digging deep for more dog turds to throw at one another, this whole campaign from both sides has turned to nothing-less than an absolute joke

I for one, firmly believe that an objective point by me to my own government that I do not care for what is going on is to write in bold print a "write-in" when the mail by ballot appears on my door-step

now lets get back to talking aircraft and not this political slime slop as this is not deemed for what this forum(s) were created

may peace be with all of you

the cancer meds are gone for the time being so to ~ Rip it up !

[Njaco]

I don't know if voting based solely on race is racist but it would seem to me to be predjuice and thats not exactly smart.

[vonmallard]

America is an interesting place, it undergo's a revolution every 2 years...not with bullets but with ballots.
As a life time hunter and target shooter i will cast my vote for McCain and the 2nd Amendment.

[Erich]

vM and that is one of the reasons why I will not be voting for the Ob-man

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Erich

vM and that is one of the reasons why I will not be voting for the Ob-man

Hey Erich,

I thought you didn't want to talk about this "political slime slop" anymore.

TO