2008 Elections - America Votes

JugBR · 08-25-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

Yes. We all need a laugh from time to time.

what is life without a good laught sometimes ?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-25-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

I'm not familiar with any senior republicans kids being their . I could be mistaken however ,

What does that have to do with what kind of Vice President he will be? Seriously...

pbfoot · 08-25-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

What does that have to do with what kind of Vice President he will be? Seriously...

To me with your kid in harms way means when your sitting down planning or working on the mid east you can actually put a face on what your ordering the guys to do. Its not pins on a map

ToughOmbre · 08-25-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird

TO Biden IS from the conservative side of the Democrats. He is more hawkish on foreign policy, and supportive of funding for the Military. As a candidate he got a FAILING grade from the ACLU for his support of the defence of marriage act and a FAILING grade from Planned Parenthood for voting to ban late-term abortion and for voting to override Clinton's veto of it. His son is going to Iraq as part of the Delaware NG. He is more pro-life than any other Democratic contender, and the ONLY one to condemn the "General Betray Us" ad, which he did IMMEDIATLY the next day.

He's a mixed bag free. Remember, he voted AGAINST the resolution to remove Hussein (Saddam, not Barack) by force from Kuwait in the 1st Gulf War (along with 46 other clueless senators).

But he is more main stream than the extremist Obama, so that's why he's on the ticket.

TO

ToughOmbre · 08-25-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

To me with your kid in harms way means when your sitting down planning or working on the mid east you can actually put a face on what your ordering the guys to do. Its not pins on a map

Does that mean that EVERY senator and congressman as well must have a kid in the military to vote to authorize the use of force or declare war?

Not very practical or realistic pb.

TO

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-25-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

To me with your kid in harms way means when your sitting down planning or working on the mid east you can actually put a face on what your ordering the guys to do. Its not pins on a map

If you are going to let things like that effect the decisions of your country, then you do not need to be in charge of the country, or you kid does not need to be in the military.

The military is not about one person and a presidents decision should not be based off of a selfish decision because of their child.

freebird · 08-25-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

He's a mixed bag free. Remember, he voted AGAINST the resolution to remove Hussein (Saddam, not Barack) by force from Kuwait in the 1st Gulf War (along with 46 other clueless senators).

But he is more main stream than the extremist Obama, so that's why he's on the ticket.

TO

Yes nobody is perfect TO, not even McCain...

I know he later admitted that he was wrong, something that G W. Bush cannot seem to do.

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"For what its worth Biden voted against Desert Storm and later admitted he was wrong."

Couple of years ago "everything was fine" in Iraq, no changes needed, just "Stay the Course". It was obvioust to most everyone else that things were NOT GOING WELL and new plans were needed.

a President can't be perfect, but admitting you ain't is a good start.

Just for the record, since the question was asked:

I would vote for Biden over any other of the top 4 Republicans EXCEPT McCAIN because I think his Foreign policy creds are what's needed, and I think he had the best plan for Iraq. {Which was passed in the Senate 75 -25, and has now been mostly adopted.}

McCain is my first choice, I would easily vote for him over anyone else, and even over Biden {with regrets}.

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The issues should be
Taxes
the debt
immigration
the debt
health care
the debt

Pb these issues are important to a Canadian election perhaps, but mainly irrelevant in picking a US President, he doesn't control the budget or pass immigration or other laws.

Those of you who will "hold your nose" and vote for McCain for Prez, what's the beef?

The Presidential issues are:

1.) Foreign Policy
2.) Military Leadership {Commander in Chief}
3.) Nominating Judges
4.) Use of the Veto
5.) Leadership of the Federal Administration

What's the problem?

For those who didn't like McCain-Kennedy, {Immigration} McCain-Fiengold, or McCain- Lieberman {Environment}, remember that as President he has no control over the bills being sent up to him he can only sign or veto them. mcCain has a good reputation in cutting taxes, controlling spending & fighting "Pork", so there is at least some chance to fight the out-of -control Democrat spending bills.

What Republican would you rather have in the White House?

pbfoot · 08-25-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

If you are going to let things like that effect the decisions of your country, then you do not need to be in charge of the country, or you kid does not need to be in the military.

The military is not about one person and a presidents decision should not be based off of a selfish decision because of there of there child.

Not selfish but if it doesn't at least sit in the back of his mind he doesn't belong in the Human Race

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-25-2008, 04:54 PM

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Not selfish but if it doesn't at least sit in the back of his mind he doesn't belong in the Human Race

Of course a persons child should be in the back of their mind, but the President has to think about 304,952,000 other people. If he/her bases there decisions off of just their child, then they are unfit to be President.

renrich · 08-25-2008, 06:09 PM

PB, you seem to forget that the US has a VOLUNTER military. That is their job and they do what they do becuse they elect to do so. I am surprised that you do not know that McCain has, I believe, two sons in the military and at least one has been in Iraq. Yep, just looked it up McCain has an 18 year old son in the Marines currently in Iraq. McCain is very private about it. You probably don't know either that the McCains have an adopted daughter from Bangledesh(?) that they have spent much money on for surgery for I think a cleft palet. McCain is private about that also. Speaks volumes about the man, to me.

freebird · 08-25-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

What does that have to do with what kind of Vice President he will be? Seriously...

Adler, I think what Pb is getting at is that it makes one more aware of the consequences of the choices a President makes. John McCain would certainly be very aware that his choice to deploy troops will have a human & personal cost.

Second. The actions of the son {or family} are certainly relavant or are at least considered by many voters. If Biden's son was a convicted crook, child molester or terrorist you can be d**m sure that it would be running 24/7 in the media right now, and very few commentators would be saying "Oh but it has nothing to do with the father".

Just the same way that the views of Obama's wife will be subject to scrutiny.

pbfoot · 08-25-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

PB, you seem to forget that the US has a VOLUNTER military. That is their job and they do what they do becuse they elect to do so. I am surprised that you do not know that McCain has, I believe, two sons in the military and at least one has been in Iraq. Yep, just looked it up McCain has an 18 year old son in the Marines currently in Iraq. McCain is very private about it. You probably don't know either that the McCains have an adopted daughter from Bangledesh(?) that they have spent much money on for surgery for I think a cleft palet. McCain is private about that also. Speaks volumes about the man, to me.

I was aware of the daughter but not the sons usually politico's families are of no interest to me ,
Yes I'm aware of the volunteer status of your military a better choice then the mess you had in the 60's and early 70's

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-26-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freebird

Adler, I think what Pb is getting at is that it makes one more aware of the consequences of the choices a President makes. John McCain would certainly be very aware that his choice to deploy troops will have a human & personal cost.

Second. The actions of the son {or family} are certainly relavant or are at least considered by many voters. If Biden's son was a convicted crook, child molester or terrorist you can be d**m sure that it would be running 24/7 in the media right now, and very few commentators would be saying "Oh but it has nothing to do with the father".

Just the same way that the views of Obama's wife will be subject to scrutiny.

Okay but if he wants to go down that road, McCain is 100 percent better to lead the military. He was in the Military. Obama never even thought about serving.

ToughOmbre · 08-26-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Okay but if he wants to go down that road, McCain is 100 percent better to lead the military. He was in the Military. Obama never even thought about serving.

Yes. Military service is always a plus for anyone in any line of business, sports or politics. And John McCain's service record is exemplary.

TO

freebird · 08-26-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Okay but if he wants to go down that road, McCain is 100 percent better to lead the military. He was in the Military. Obama never even thought about serving.

Can't argue with that, I think McCain would be the better choice.

I think the point I was trying to make is that if Obama does win, I'd rather have Biden as VP than Hillary or anyone else