2008 Elections - America Votes

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Yikes... That's a good question...

To be completely honest, I don't know of any forum hosting Canadian political discutions.

But you just awaken me on something, it's a thread about the American elections, I posted something to make a point, and now we are talking about Canadian politics... I think it's time to get back on topic ! I'll shut my big mouth next time.

I really love Canada... not sure exactly why, but I do.

So, I can become irritatingly inquisitive on the subject.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by renrich

. That has been a law, I believe, since the Volstead Act, which was a boon for Canadians.

A lot of established folk in this town owe their wealth to that

[renrich]

Thank goodness for Canada, common sense and Canadian Whisky.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by renrich

Thank goodness for Canada, common sense and Canadian Whisky.

Hear Hear!

[Njaco]

and don't forget Rush.

[JugBR]

congratulations to president obama and to democrats, but dont forget they was ellected by bush mistakes, now is time to change the history.

[Amsel]

It is time for the States to get ready to defend the Constitution.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by JugBR

...but dont forget they was ellected by bush mistakes...

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[Redbeard]

Oh yes my friends, the time is coming.



wait for it.........

[Amsel]

The real winners of the elections are the populations of the third world. Regardless of who won the presidential election they grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.

These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party—the Republicans—to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?

[Amsel]

Things that make me go hmmmmmm.

It really blows me away, that because of his associations with radical individuals who's sole mission in life is to destroy America , that Obama couldn't pass a background check to receive a top secret clearance. That means he couldn't become an FBI agent, or a Green Beret, but he is OK to become the President of the United States .




"Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on an "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The waiter angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the waiter inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application".

[renrich]

Please list the Bush mistakes that allowed the dimocrats to win the election. Are you talking about the sub prime mess, giving loans to people who could not or would not repay them, which was a dimocrat scheme and which Bush and McCain and various other Republicans tried to rein in and which triggered the economic turndown? Are you talking about the successful war in Iraq which eliminated Saddam as a threat to world security and will probably result in Iraq having a form of democracy? Are you talking about the fact that no more domestic terrorist attacks have been made in the US? Are you talking about the tax cut for all Americans who were paying taxes. Are you talking about the 52 months of growth in the economy which is a record? Are you talking about two strict constructionist supreme court judges appointed? Please educate me!

[freebird]

Originally Posted by renrich

Please list the Bush mistakes that allowed the dimocrats to win the election.

Ren, it's sad to say but many of the "mistakes" were not errors in policy, but more of an image problem for Bush, alot of the voters who said they disagreed with Bush can't name any other policy of his other than Iraq.

Originally Posted by renrich

Are you talking about the sub prime mess, giving loans to people who could not or would not repay them, which was a dimocrat scheme and which Bush and McCain and various other Republicans tried to rein in and which triggered the economic turndown?

I can't understand this either, although Bush didn't do that much to fix the problem, McCain certainly was one of the few voices in the wilderness calling for more oversight of Fannie & Freddie - but it seemed to get him credit from the voter. I'm baffled.

Are you talking about the successful war in Iraq which eliminated Saddam as a threat to world security and will probably result in Iraq having a form of democracy? [/quote]

This is one area where there was poor management early on, and as cost have spiralled. I think Bush's "Line in the sand" policy hurt the Republicans, he would have done better to come to some kind of compromise with Congress that would have still kept the troops supplied and the re-building effort going.

It would have given the GOP some cover, as they Dem's couldn't bash it only as Bush's war.

It was rather pointless to fight the Dem's proposal to phase troop withdrawls starting in 2009, as any plan could simply be scrapped by the new President anyways.

His stubborness on this point made no difference to the war effort, and made him look stubborn.

Originally Posted by renrich

Are you talking about the fact that no more domestic terrorist attacks have been made in the US?

Makes little difference apparently, and is more of a lose-lose situation. If one had happened, he would be blamed, if none happened the public forgets about it.

Most people who consider this important would vote GOP anyways, regardless.

[quote=renrich;422140]Are you talking about the tax cut for all Americans who were paying taxes. Are you talking about the 52 months of growth in the economy which is a record?

Not mistakes, but he got little credit for them. Media says economy is bad = things must be bad!

Originally Posted by renrich

Are you talking about two strict constructionist supreme court judges appointed? Please educate me!

The Harriet Myers & Alberto Gonzales affairs were PR disasters.

Again Ren, sadly in your country it's more about image.

Not that we are much better, supposedly the Conservatives lost a few seats in Quebec due to a paltry $45 million cut in the arts budjet {.0001 % of the budget or something like that}.

Things like tax cuts & economic stability are harder to grasp than the "tabloid news" stuff that dominates many voters minds

[pbfoot]

As the new slogan says about the end of this presidency "Its the end of an Error"
Bush was the wrong man for this time and Mccain should have been the Pres in 2000.

[renrich]

FB, if you are saying perception becomes reality then I agree that that is the case in our country. If you are saying that Bush was not able to articulate or "sell" his programs well, I agree. My question is how does one combat, as a president, a media which is almost 100% hostile and an opposing political party which will stop at nothing to gain power. The record shows that Bush warned many times about the problems hatching from the sub prime loans. How does one know in advance how bad the problem will be before the fact. By the time the problem really began to have an effect in 2006, Bush had little political capital to spend. Some of your observations about Bush seem to say that he should be able to see into the future. The only people who don't make mistakes are ones who do nothing. Yep, he can be stubborn because he sticks to what he believes is right regardless of the political consequences or the polls. I try to deal with reality not perception and I don't give in to those who don't.