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08-26-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ToughOmbre  Yes. Military service is always a plus for anyone in any line of business, sports or politics. And John McCain's service record is exemplary.
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08-26-2008, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Lots of miltary people are also out of their depth in a parking lot puddle as well and its every nation | Oh mister leadfoot...
I don't think anyone can argue that NOT being in the military makes you better prepared to assume the post of CinC.
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08-27-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Lots of miltary people are also out of their depth in a parking lot puddle as well and its every nation | And all civilians who have no military experience are out of their depth when it comes to being in charge of the armed forces. So whats the point?
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08-27-2008, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet And all civilians who have no military experience are out of their depth when it comes to being in charge of the armed forces. So whats the point? | What I mean its nice be aware of the military and how it works and what it is capable of but it means squat in the grand scheme of things . There is a real world that also exists outside the services . I say that as one who by what I've observed and read here has a little more time in the military then most | |
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08-27-2008, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet And all civilians who have no military experience are out of their depth when it comes to being in charge of the armed forces. So whats the point? | its just walk some streets, go to pentagon and ask for the militarys whats going on and whats their opinion about an issue !
i think the guy must be humbly to listen when needed. dont needs to be military ! btw, remember hitler was military and because that he believed had the right to put in pratice the most stupid plans, because he believed was a great general.
how many alexanders the great, how many napoleons, you find among 1.000.000 generals ? its like in sports: how many michael jordans did you saw ? or how many peles or maradonas ? its the guy, the genius, the strategist...
i believe by the spents of american defence, you should have a very competent crew of generals in pentagon that could make a great job and could advice the president. so, if the president is humbly and can listen the other points of view, the advantage of have a former military in presidency is null. maybe just for propaganda, to say: - hey, i am, he is not !
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08-27-2008, 05:45 PM
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Country: | I agree that service in the military does not necessarily qualify a person to be president but all other things being equal, I believe that military service is a plus for someone over a person with no military experience. The most important duty of the federal government in our system is to provide security for our country. If it were not for that task, a loose federation of states could be as effective and probably better than a strong central government. The dimocrats would like for that truth to be forgotten. That government that governs least is best and a government close to home is more accountable than one not located in the neighborhood. | |
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08-27-2008, 06:43 PM
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Country: | So what I take away from this is this - why have any experience at all when you can just have some other expert "advise" you... I mean it's that easy right? Just ask those that do have the experience and it's no big deal if you have no experience in an area yourself...
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08-27-2008, 07:32 PM
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Country: | Im with Charles guys.... Im not gonna vote for anyone this election, on the simple fact that neither candidate IMO will lead this country in the direction that I and most of my fellow "real" American brothers desire us to...
Politics are a fu*kin nightmare in this country, and I for one am standing up and saying, MY VOTE IS MY OWN!!!
I would slit my wrists before voting for Osama, and voting for McCain is the same as voting for Bush......
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08-27-2008, 08:22 PM
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Country: | Oh man, Les, don't throw away your vote. Not voting allows for the extremists to determine our society. Politics is not about absolutes. That is the problem with European politics. Absolutists have resulted in 24 different parties in some instances and now the moral, economic, and social values have become so blurred that you can't make a decision. Meanwhile, these same 24 parties cannot possibly push their platform through, so they compromise!!
Well that is back to a two party system!! Recognize that politics are shades of grey. You will never find a party that fits you perfectly. Rather, vote for the party that best fits your beliefs, provide them feedback where they don't and thus influence them to change in your direction.
Having said that... Obama (and the liberal left) or McCain (and the mid-right)?? Certainly you can't say McCain is extreme right. But you can argue that Obama is off the chart extreme left.
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08-27-2008, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Im with Charles guys.... Im not gonna vote for anyone this election, on the simple fact that neither candidate IMO will lead this country in the direction that I and most of my fellow "real" American brothers desire us to...
I would slit my wrists before voting for Osama, and voting for McCain is the same as voting for Bush...... |
At least Renrich will take comfort that Les's vote won't mean squat, cuz McCain is going to take Miss. anyways. But seriously folks, I don't get this
tepid support for McCain.
1.) Would you rather have Mac or Obama pick the next 2 supremes? The court is about 4 Conservative/ 4 Liberal /& 1 swing vote. Add a couple more "Ginsburgs" to the court you can say goodbye to 2nd amendment and hello to Gay Marriage & a bunch more wacky stuff.
2.) The USA is already at war, and may soon face more problems in Iran & a bunch of other places. Would you rather have Mac or Obama as C in C? What do you want to bet that Obama will cave to the left and demand that the Military should be gay-friendly?
3.) With Obama as Prez you can look forward to "Tax the Rich" {ie anybody who has a job} to pay for all of his goodies.
4.) Lets just have "Open Borders", let 'em all in, they'll vote for Obama & Pelosi anyways...
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08-27-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Im with Charles guys.... Im not gonna vote for anyone this election, on the simple fact that neither candidate IMO will lead this country in the direction that I and most of my fellow "real" American brothers desire us to...
Politics are a fu*kin nightmare in this country, and I for one am standing up and saying, MY VOTE IS MY OWN!!!
I would slit my wrists before voting for Osama, and voting for McCain is the same as voting for Bush...... | I think you should vote and if mobody suits your needs spoil the ballot , I oncevoted for a political group that promised to repeal the law of gravity rather then the mainstream guys i disagreed with | |
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08-27-2008, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by freebird
4.) Lets just have "Open Borders", let 'em all in, they'll vote for Obama & Pelosi anyways...
| usa have to close all the borders !
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08-27-2008, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot I think you should vote and if mobody suits your needs spoil the ballot , I oncevoted for a political group that promised to repeal the law of gravity rather then the mainstream guys i disagreed with | no problem pb, for old people is allways harder to accept new ideas. the law of gravity should be repealed !
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08-27-2008, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich I agree that service in the military does not necessarily qualify a person to be president but all other things being equal, I believe that military service is a plus for someone over a person with no military experience. | theres the military disciplin too, a more self-organized person !
how many american presidents in XX century was former military ?
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08-28-2008, 08:51 AM
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Country: | Matt and Freebird, very good posts. If one does not vote or votes for someone who has no chance, like Perot in 1992, then your vote is wasted and you really should not complain if events don't go to suit you. As Matt says, politics is the art of the possible and I doubt that there has ever been a candidate who had all the qualities that any one voter desires unless you are a dimocrat and stuck on one issue. | |
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