2008 Elections - America Votes

[freebird]

Originally Posted by mkloby

If that is the candidate that the party wants to nominate, then that is their candidate. If they wanted to elect a more formidable opponent, they very well could. The party's decision is their own; it's not so much a "goofy system."

Well our system sure has it's flaws too. The problem I think with your system is that in the primaries, the extreme wing of the Dem party nominates a candidate as far left as possible, and the right wing of the Republican party does the same. So when election time comes, you can't vote for a "moderate"
only far left or hard right.

You say "The party's decision is their own" but what about the voters? if I was voting there, I would have a choice of voting for the gang that has mis-managed Iraq, thereby being counted as supporting their bad leadership, or voting for some far-left, pro abortion socialist wannabe.

There were some moderate Republicans who were sensible, and honest enough to voice concerns about Bush's policies, like Chaffee {lost his Senate seat} and Sununu {probably soon to lose his seat}, Warner {retiring}

IMHO, you need a third party, moderate, center-right CONSERVATIVE, willing to lower taxes, cut pork, enforce borders & protect the US business from predatory foreign economic policies. Also strong on defending the USA, but not embarking on "nation building" experiments.

This is sort of what our Conservative government in Canada is trying to do, but seems like they are "swimming upstream" against the tide of radical agenda from our lefty's....

[Bucksnort101]

Does anyone else think John McCain is a far right Republican? Just curious.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by freebird

You sure got that right DP! But there is the result of your goofy primary system which is very parisan and very often has the party nominating a weak or unelectable candidate.


Luckily for you guys on the right, it usually results in the Dem's nominating a far left candidate who gets shot down in flames in November. {Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry}

I think we have a lousy primary system which does not select the best candidate, although I think the Republican system is better.

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I called it a shotgun wedding but thats what it is in my mind . They've got to be Politically Correct

Two things....

If it's only in your mind, it's not a shotgun wedding. And....

Since when is a shotgun wedding politically correct?

TO

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by ToughOmbre

Two things....

If it's only in your mind, it's not a shotgun wedding. And....

Since when is a shotgun wedding politically correct?

TO

I agree but its what I call it
To call it a shotgun wedding is not PC

If it is a marriage of conveinence I hope to hell the kids can keep the circus from affecting them , I have my doubts and for that reason I feel maybe Mom put power before kids . Once again this is IMHO. I really feel for these kids

[freebird]

Originally Posted by davparlr

I think we have a lousy primary system which does not select the best candidate, although I think the Republican system is better.

Mainly because we are more in agreement with most of their principles?

In our Canadian system each party keeps track of "members", and only they can vote in the leadership contest.

People are complaining that our PM is a policy "wonk", very smart, experienced and a capable leader, but lacking in charisma.

Whereas the US Democrat nominee has charisma and not much else...

[ToughOmbre]

Originally Posted by Bucksnort101

Does anyone else think John McCain is a far right Republican? Just curious.

Far right? No way, but compared to the far left extremist B. Hussein Obama, anyone would seem to be far right.

TO

[pbfoot]

I listened to the Rep convention for the past few nights and although powerful tonight it did not come close in substance or content to the democratic guys
If you check back on my postings I would have voted Mccain in 2000 and 2004 but it was not to be . I believe Mccain is 4 or 8 yrs too late .

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Its called connect the dots . You guys look at these candidates as if they are dieties

There you go with more generalizations - who is "you guys" anyway? They are not gods of any sort. And as far as connect the dots - you have no info other than she got pregnant and it's said they are getting married. What other dots are you connecting? Maybe they want to get married because it's the right thing to do - did that even cross your mind for a second?

Originally Posted by freebird

Well our system sure has it's flaws too. The problem I think with your system is that in the primaries, the extreme wing of the Dem party nominates a candidate as far left as possible, and the right wing of the Republican party does the same. So when election time comes, you can't vote for a "moderate"
only far left or hard right.

You say "The party's decision is their own" but what about the voters? if I was voting there, I would have a choice of voting for the gang that has mis-managed Iraq, thereby being counted as supporting their bad leadership, or voting for some far-left, pro abortion socialist wannabe.

There were some moderate Republicans who were sensible, and honest enough to voice concerns about Bush's policies, like Chaffee {lost his Senate seat} and Sununu {probably soon to lose his seat}, Warner {retiring}

IMHO, you need a third party, moderate, center-right CONSERVATIVE, willing to lower taxes, cut pork, enforce borders & protect the US business from predatory foreign economic policies. Also strong on defending the USA, but not embarking on "nation building" experiments.

This is sort of what our Conservative government in Canada is trying to do, but seems like they are "swimming upstream" against the tide of radical agenda from our lefty's....

Freebird - come on now... the party just doesn't come up with their candidate all on their own. Voters are involved in the choosing of the candidate.

I do agree with you that I'd like to see some reforms that I believe will better the political process and hopefully break the two party deathgrip on American politics - particularly with campaign financing.

[Erich]

the demo/repub package of meetings was a total farce in my eyes

let Palin run the country for some time and throw the other guys out the window, there is no doubt she could clean up America

[davparlr]

Latest Rasmussen (?) poll

Sarah has a higher approval rating than Obama or Mccain.


Quote from the internet

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

[freebird]

Originally Posted by mkloby

Freebird - come on now... the party just doesn't come up with their candidate all on their own. Voters are involved in the choosing of the candidate.

I do agree with you that I'd like to see some reforms that I believe will better the political process and hopefully break the two party deathgrip on American politics - particularly with campaign financing.

What I meant by "the party" is the fringe special interest groups & zealots that drive the agenda in both parties. Moderate centerist patriotic are being frozen out.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by freebird

What I meant by "the party" is the fringe special interest groups & zealots that drive the agenda in both parties. Moderate centerist patriotic are being frozen out.

Are you kidding???

Sen Obama is extremely leftist. Look at how well he did in the primaries. VOTERS that participated in the dem primaries VOTED for him. Were they forced to support Obama? Not at all. Did they have other options that were less extreme - yes.

Sen McCain is not an extreme conservative at all. Yes, in some ways he is, but there are areas such as campaign finance and immigration to name two that he has stood in stark contrast to conservatives. I would say John McCain is not incredibly far from the center.

[lesofprimus]

Is it me or is it that everyone thats voted for Osama, I mean Obama, is from another country???

[Bucksnort101]

Is it me or is it that everyone thats voted for Osama, I mean Obama, is from another country???

I noticed that as well. I am sure the mojority of the folks that visit this site still lean to the right of Center though. Nothing wring with leaned a little left, but some lean too far and fall. Hopefully this is the case with Senator Obama.