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Old 07-06-2007, 02:09 PM   #1
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U.S. Appeals Court in Ohio Dismisses ACLU Challenge of Bush Administration's Domestic Surveillance Program

Friday, July 06, 2007

CINCINNATI — A federal appeals court on Friday ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging President Bush's domestic spying program, saying the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.

The 2-1 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel vacated a 2006 order by a lower court in Detroit, which had found the post-Sept. 11 warrantless surveillance aimed at uncovering terrorist activity to be unconstitutional, violating rights to privacy and free speech and the separation of powers.

Judge Julia Smith Gibbons, one of the two Republican appointees who ruled against the plaintiffs, said they failed to show they were subject to the surveillance and therefore do not have standing for their claims.

Ronald Lee Gilman, a Democratic appointee, disagreed, saying he felt the plaintiffs were within their rights to sue and that it was clear to him that the surveillance program violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.

Although the Bush administration said in January the program is now overseen by a special federal intelligence court, opponents said that without a court order, the president could resume the spying outside judicial authority at any time. The government said the case had become moot.

The American Civil Liberties Union led the suit on behalf of other groups including lawyers, journalists and scholars it says have been handicapped in doing their jobs by the government monitoring.

Others have filed court challenges to the program; this case proceeded the furthest.

The decision "insulates the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance activities from judicial review and deprives Americans of any ability to challenge the illegal surveillance of their telephone calls and e-mails," ACLU Legal Director Steven R. Shapiro said in a news release.

The Justice Department did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said, "We have always believed that the District Court's decision declaring the terrorist surveillance program unconstitutional was wrongly decided."

The ACLU is reviewing its options, including taking its challenge to the Supreme Court, Shapiro said.

If the group does not appeal, the case will be sent back to the U.S. district judge in Michigan for dismissal.

The National Security Agency monitors international phone calls and e-mails to or from the United States when one party is believed to be a terrorist or to have terrorist ties.

The government had said it sometimes needed to act without waiting for the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, established by the 1978 law. The administration has also said the program has helped prevent terrorist attacks.

Bush authorized the program in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The ACLU Union filed suit in January 2006, a month after the program's existence became known publicly.

The government said the case involves state secrets whose disclosure would threaten national security.

"The information ... is highly sensitive in nature, and goes to the heart of how the government's foreign intelligence gathering is conducted at a time when the nation is at war with an enemy that has already inflicted devastating damage on the United States by operating through a shadowy terrorist network," a Justice Department brief stated.
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Amen to that. F*** the ACLU.
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ACLU what an unusual name for an organisation who couldn't see the woods for the trees if a islamic fundamentalist got up and bit them in the ****ing arse. I for one stand firm in the belief of our civil liberties but this doesn't mean our personal civil liberties come at the expense of the security of the Nation you live in. I am sorry but that is how I see it
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Did you hear the ACLU is going to represent those fricken Westboro (whatever the **** they are called) Baptist Church (the guys who protest at military funerals) because they are being charged for defacing the US Flag.
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There's a special place in Hell reserved for Westboro and the ACLU scum that files suit for them. It's more than ironic to see the far left (in this case the ACLU) defend "freedom of speech", and then see Pelosi, Feinstein, Hillary, etc. attack that same freedom by wanting to censor talk radio via the "Fairness Doctrine".
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Tough I watched some of those YouTube videos about Westboro Baptist Church and the discussion in another thread etc. Found those videos of Westboro members to be of the extreme. God punishes as his children in love as a parent does etc All I saw was hate and vile coming from those members of Westboro and I saw children in those demonstrations of hate and vile. I know its our democratic right to object and to protest etc. But it isn't our democratic right to expose children to those extreme views of hatred and vile coming from those lunatics who pervert Gods words etc. and as for the UCLA and Westboro. I have this to say about them. God will judge them on the works that they do. Hope you understand what I mean
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ACLU is a group of traitors. They know it - which is why they need to attempt to influence legislation through the courts rather than through legislation or popular appeal.
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ACLU is a group of traitors. They know it - which is why they need to attempt to influence legislation through the courts rather than through legislation or popular appeal.
And their biggest allies are activist liberal judges. One of the hidden dangers of electing a liberal president.
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And their biggest allies are activist liberal judges. One of the hidden dangers of electing a liberal president.
AKA Leftist Socialists.
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ACLU is the legal wing of Al Quida. And they get the work done pro bono! Gotta give Osama his cups on that.
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