 | AMERICAN TRAITORS| Politics Discuss AMERICAN TRAITORS in the Current forums; "Thats true. Its like how the U.S. liberated France from German occupation, but France hates are guts."
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08-13-2006, 04:02 AM
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Country:  | "Thats true. Its like how the U.S. liberated France from German occupation, but France hates are guts."
Did the U.S capture Berlin too? Or was there some other countries involved in the fight against the Axis?
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08-13-2006, 04:41 AM
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Country:  | it couldn't have happenned that soon without Russia's participation
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08-13-2006, 06:32 AM
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#18 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Blackwatch while I agree with 99% of what has been said that no treason has happened there are sure alot of people that really go up to line without crossing over it...point is, it's a line that shouldn't be even attempted to be pushed or crossed. | Those poloticians are assholes and do not deserve to represent the US in my opinion but the whole treason thing was out there....
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08-13-2006, 06:33 AM
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#19 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by loomaluftwaffe it couldn't have happenned that soon without Russia's participation | The Russians were the ones that captured Berlin.
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08-13-2006, 08:36 AM
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Country:  | Hell, the Patton's 3rd Army have liberated all West of Czechoslovakia but than they had to step back because of Stalin's power lust... Politics is bullshit, always and doesn't reflect the individual needs of the people...
RonRyan, don't call Kerry a traitor - he fought in Nam... I mean, I don't care that much, but you show how much spoiled and brainwashed are you...
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08-13-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Parmigiano That's another story, there is always and everywhere an endless supply of it..
As we say over here 'the mother of the idiots is always pregnant' | Love it! Great one! | |
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08-13-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by loomaluftwaffe it couldn't have happenned that soon without Russia's participation | Probably wouldn't have happened at all without the Russians. | |
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08-13-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pisis Hell, the Patton's 3rd Army have liberated all West of Czechoslovakia but than they had to step back because of Stalin's power lust... | Wasn't it a trade-off for Austria, which the Red Army had "liberated"? | |
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08-13-2006, 11:40 AM
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Country: | Surely was. but this way a pre-WW2 Western country became a part of the Eastern Block after the war... We still suffer from it...  | |
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08-15-2006, 03:34 PM
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Country: | All right point taken Adler. But, my main point is that I don't think that it should be up to the media to decide what information should be taken to the public. The media should answer to the military about what information to disclose not the other way around.
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08-15-2006, 03:47 PM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Chief All right point taken Adler. But, my main point is that I don't think that it should be up to the media to decide what information should be taken to the public. The media should answer to the military about what information to disclose not the other way around. | Uh when was I debating this with you? 
Believe it or not, but for the most part, the media only gets the information that the military wants them to get. It is not the other way around as you think.
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08-16-2006, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief All right point taken Adler. But, my main point is that I don't think that it should be up to the media to decide what information should be taken to the public. The media should answer to the military about what information to disclose not the other way around. | Maybe I have misunderstood your point, but if you mean that the media should not be free to deliver information but have to be authorized by the military, well, I could not disagree more...
It would simply be the complete annihilation of one of the basic freedom of a democratic Country.
Free press MUST be a pain in the ***, I'd rather prefer it this way than submitted to the military power. Every dictatorship starts with the control of information.
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08-16-2006, 06:44 AM
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#28 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I do not think the military should have the right to control the media but they should have the right to control what the media reports based on the military. The press does not have the right to give out secret information that could risk the lives of soldiers such as positions and operations. For the most part this is not allowed the military only lets the press know what they want them to know.
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08-16-2006, 07:07 AM
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| Yes, one concept is to not disclose secret information (this is a job of the enemy intelligence...), another is to simply pass only what is approved by the military PR office.
It is a general issue that applies to every 'delicate' situation (i.e. about disclosing information about a serial murder or a kidnapping that could impact the work of Police) and is generally ruled by a kind of 'ethic' code.
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08-16-2006, 09:13 AM
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#30 | | Der Crewchief
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