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[Milos Sijacki]

Physical wounds are easy to heal, but emotional and psychological ones are sometimes permanent and unable to cure.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You are absolutely right Milos. I honestly wish the best for your people and the other people from the region. I really hope you all can find a way to live peacefully.

[Milos Sijacki]

Thanks for that.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Freebird, one reason why I try to stay away from the term 'Lib'. I fully understand.

What I think keeps getting lost is that its not racist or anything like that. Here is my complaint.

For all its talk about it being a good religion, Musilm is the only faith that damns you if you don't believe. You are filth, lower than dirt and all that implies. Is that not a racist position? Most religions that I know accept other faiths, if not to try to expand the ranks at least to do a good deed in the eyes of their god(s). I have yet to see that among the Muslim faith.

They have no compassion, they have no tolerance and they have no clue.

But nobody has successfully figured out how to attack and convert a faith. That is the battle we face.

And a battle you cannot win

Njaco that is why I have almost as much a problem with Bush's policy's & plans as with Pelosi/Kerry.

I think the USA will not and cannot "win" in Iraq. {using Bush's defenition of establishing a free, democratic state, that recognises human rights & freedoms, and lastly an "ally" in the war on terror}

If they continue to try to "win" they will bring defeat. The US needs to recognise that a "successful" outcome is still possible {ie a "stable" Iraq, not a hotbed for terrorists, and not degenerating into chaos & genocide}
Note that nowhere do I mention "Ally" or "Democracy" or "Freedom"

Njaco the person here that should recognise this best is YOU yes YOU Njaco. As an animal control officer you understand that animals or critters that move into human areas and become "pests" cannot be taught, trained or educated. You cannot train that cougar to sit & purr in your backyard. You cannot educate the racoons to sit at the dinner table and wear a napkin.

The West needs to recognise that the fundamental Muslim rabble cannot be taught or trained to observe western morals, we can only hope to isolate them and hope that in a few more centuries they will evolve.

The strategy needs to quit trying to bring democracy to the radicals, it's about as useful as putting lipstick on a pig. We need to isolate this "pest" group in the Middle East, and prevent them from getting the capability to use Atomics.

{plan B} Of course there are others that think we need a new crusade to wipe out the whole group, but I think by now there are too many overseas to do that.

[Njaco]

I'm with you all the way freebird! I think the government needs to get a new meaning to the term "win". Yes we won the war but nobody prepared for the occupation. I still get the sense that most of the high command is thinking in terms of the Marshall plan - that worked in the 40s and 50s!! Not today!

Its a whole new animal that we face - we saw a glimpse during Vietnam and now its full bore. Its not a game of who conquers the most property. Its "1984" and who controls your faith.

And as far as the world's religion. I have yet to see one facet of the Muslim faith that is tolerant of anybody else. Its racisim and bigotry to the highest level. And I don't care who diagrees with me - cause thats my faith!!

[wilbur1]

Originally Posted by Njaco

I'm with you all the way freebird! I think the government needs to get a new meaning to the term "win". Yes we won the war but nobody prepared for the occupation. I still get the sense that most of the high command is thinking in terms of the Marshall plan - that worked in the 40s and 50s!! Not today!

Its a whole new animal that we face - we saw a glimpse during Vietnam and now its full bore. Its not a game of who conquers the most property. Its "1984" and who controls your faith.

And as far as the world's religion. I have yet to see one facet of the Muslim faith that is tolerant of anybody else. Its racisim and bigotry to the highest level. And I don't care who diagrees with me - cause thats my faith!!

Right there with ya nj! lets put a jihad on their leaders and see what happens. Can just see them now running and peeing allover themselves!

[Matt308]

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[Milos Sijacki]

I recently saw something on TV. It was about democracy and how it can not function with certain types of culture and even religion. Some cultures and religions just cabn not accept that kind of politics. It is not in their blood.

[freebird]

Milos the climate for democracy in the Muslim middle east is similar to that in Britain.

Britain about 500 years ago that is!!

Around the time of the War of the Roses, the Dukes and Barons forced the King to bring together Parliment to govern or else they would deprive him of funds. At the times when the King was more powerful he would disband Parliment, execute his opponents & collect the taxes himeself. {English Civil War} Finally in the 1660's Parliment deprived the King of his head and put an end to despots & tyrants on the throne. {very brief 500 yr political sketch!}

Until the Muslim thinking is able to accept democracy, no amout of voting will bring a stable situation.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Njaco

I'm with you all the way freebird! I think the government needs to get a new meaning to the term "win". Yes we won the war but nobody prepared for the occupation. I still get the sense that most of the high command is thinking in terms of the Marshall plan - that worked in the 40s and 50s!! Not today!

You also have to understand why the Marschal Plan worked. The German people are a lot different from the Arabs in the Middle East.

I agree with what you are saying though. I have said it all along. Unless we change things drastically we can not and will not win this "war" on terror.

It is impossible unfortunatly.

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Njaco

For all its talk about it being a good religion, Musilm is the only faith that damns you if you don't believe. You are filth, lower than dirt and all that implies. Is that not a racist position? Most religions that I know accept other faiths, if not to try to expand the ranks at least to do a good deed in the eyes of their god(s). I have yet to see that among the Muslim faith.

How covenient do we forget Northern Ireland..... Christians can be just as bad, we must fight extremism, not a religion!

[Milos Sijacki]

All religions have their extremists and they are all equally bad, but I still have to see Christian fanatics to commit suicide bombings.

[Njaco]

Thats because we stop them before it gets that far.....

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Milos Sijacki

All religions have their extremists and they are all equally bad, but I still have to see Christian fanatics to commit suicide bombings.

Or killing themselves before being taken by the police like some religious groups in for instance the US? We've had some examples of that. Believe it or not, we christians have our own extremists and dangerous ones, too.

[DauntlessDriver]

Originally Posted by Matt308

religious war religious war religious war...

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