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12-27-2006, 05:53 AM
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British Airways said on Wednesday poor markings at Miami airport were to blame for a safety scare involving a jumbo jet carrying British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
The Boeing 747, carrying 343 passengers and crew, was not damaged when it missed an exit on the runway on arrival from London about 6:15 p.m. (2315 GMT) on Tuesday, prompting police cars and emergency vehicles to rush to the scene.
"The plane overshot the runway by a little bit. There was no damage to the plane and no injuries to the passengers," Miami airport spokesman Marc Henderson said.
more: http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ews-newsOne-10
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12-27-2006, 08:51 AM
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Country:  | They definitely made that story much bigger than needed.
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12-27-2006, 09:11 AM
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#3 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Agree - and as for poor markings - I'll bet dollars to donuts that other 747s landed there earlier in the day with no problems.
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12-27-2006, 11:38 AM
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Country: | And BA 747s use electronic flight bags that have surface moving map displays. However, navigation based solely on the moving map display is prohibited. But they are supposed to resolve discrepancies if between EFB and Mk I eyeball. Now whether they were using the EFB at the time...
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12-27-2006, 11:56 AM
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#5 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well ofcourse they will. They are not going to blame there own pilots for there faults...
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12-27-2006, 12:03 PM
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Country: | Well if their Ops Handbook indicates that they must compare EFB with visual cues for situation awareness and there is no indication that a discrepancy was noted. Pilot error. Don't know how they can talk their way outta this one.
Either
1. They ignored Jepp charts.
2. Trusted equipment (EFB) that cannot solely be relied upon for navigation, or;
3. Did not abide by OpsSpec to flag comparison discrepancy.
My armchair analysis. And worth exactly what the Forum paid for it I might add.
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12-27-2006, 01:11 PM
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#7 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Matt - I think you hit the nail on the head. I find it quite impossible for any marking at any large international airport to be "difficult to read." Pilot 101 - if you land and you don't where you're going, get a progressive from GC.
"The taxiway was not clearly visible so he radioed the tower for assistance," she said. "Anything about overshooting (the landing) is incorrect."
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12-27-2006, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  Matt - I think you hit the nail on the head. I find it quite impossible for any marking at any large international airport to be "difficult to read." Pilot 101 - if you land and you don't where you're going, get a progressive from GC.
"The taxiway was not clearly visible so he radioed the tower for assistance," she said. "Anything about overshooting (the landing) is incorrect." | Unfortunately - pilots frequently have a problem w/ ego and pride. That alone will prevent many a pilot from requesting the old progressive taxi for fear of looking/sounding like a jack*ss.
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12-27-2006, 02:03 PM
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Country:  | Pilots have an ego  I would have never guessed . The whole deal got blown out of proportion because Blair was onboard and it gave one of the media a cheesy story . You would be surprised how often lights are busted on the operating service . But bottomline the pilot blew it happens alot with 3rd world aircrew 
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12-27-2006, 02:27 PM
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Country: | For civil airports, aviation lighting standards and guidelines are clearly delineated in ICAO’s Annex 14 of the Convention on International Airports, Volumes I and II. Miami's airport would of had to been surveyed by the FAA and ICAO to ensure they meet Annex 14 requirements. Airport lighting is basically the same at all large airports, with the lighting being placed in specified locations at a specified distance.
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12-29-2006, 02:13 PM
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Country: | And if the US did NOT abide by markings (not bloody likely) than the US would have filed a "difference" with ICAO and AIP/NOTAMs would likely indicate such.
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12-29-2006, 02:26 PM
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#12 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Matt308 And if the US did NOT abide by markings (not bloody likely) than the US would have filed a "difference" with ICAO and AIP/NOTAMs would likely indicate such. | Exactly - I pulled up the airport diagram and approach charts for Miami - no such mention...
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12-29-2006, 02:35 PM
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Country: | What's a 47 pilot make? Maybe $250k? No wonder he's scrambling.
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12-29-2006, 02:49 PM
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Country:  | Would think it is something around there, maybe a bit less. When it looks as if his Mk1 eyeball has failed (or his mk1 brain) I'm not surprised he is scrambling...
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