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(CBS/AP) A senior House Democrat said Sunday he will introduce legislation to reinstate the military ... |
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11-20-2006, 10:09 AM
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#1 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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WASHINGTON, Nov. 20, 2006
(CBS/AP) A senior House Democrat said Sunday he will introduce legislation to reinstate the military draft, asserting that current troop levels are insufficient to sustain possible challenges against Iran, North Korea and Iraq.
"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) said on CBS News' Face the Nation.
Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose the measure early next year.
At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," he told Bob Schieffer.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.
"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals. Rangel, incoming chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.
"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.
He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve in uniform. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.
Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."
Polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.
Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."
Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.
The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 — now about 16 million — from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.
Actually I like this idea especially if given a choice between serving in the military or performing public service like the Peace Corps. If you do some research about the rise of street gangs, their membership and presence exploded after the ending of the draft.
This is where I differ with him...
"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) said on CBS News' Face the Nation."
I doubt any congressman's kids, Democrat or Republican would of been drafted in those circumstances unless they WANTED to go...
Boy, I wonder if Congressman Rangel's proposal will be Democratic Policy!
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11-20-2006, 12:48 PM
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11-20-2006, 03:50 PM
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Country: | Rangel has been proposing this since 2004 I think when it was voted down almost unanimously (2 voted for his legislation). It's more of a point he is trying to make. He was on fox today, and actually echoed the comment that kerry made, saying that the military is full of those that have no other options in life. I doubt that the media is going to blow that one up though. Guess I need to think about how the military duped me into signing now... 
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Country: | Pretty funny, Charlie Rangel must want something and is determined to make some noise until he gets it. Total politics. No way a draft is coming back to the US short of us having a few cities nuked. No need, no desire, nobody backing it. Even Charlie.
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11-20-2006, 04:18 PM
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11-20-2006, 10:11 PM
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Country: | what a dumb cluck. Where was this moron during Vietnam... ? Yes the draft really protected us then didn't it.
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11-20-2006, 10:16 PM
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Country: | Its a dupe Erich. Just a Demo ploy to get Republicans to publicly vote against it. Unfortunately, like the Rep did with the Demos in making them vote for or against the war. STupid politics. I hate them all.
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11-21-2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  Actually I like this idea especially if given a choice between serving in the military or performing public service like the Peace Corps. If you do some research about the rise of street gangs, their membership and presence exploded after the ending of the draft. | I agree and that is how it is done here in Germany. At 18 every male has to serve either in the military or in civil service such as in hospitals, fire department, ambulance driver, etc....
I just think that it should not be limited to just males but rather females as well.
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11-21-2006, 01:16 PM
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11-21-2006, 01:34 PM
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11-21-2006, 01:41 PM
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Country: | I agree. I think it makes them better citizens. Not necessarilly military but rather some form of service to there country.
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