Can the EU keep peace in Europe

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Here in Germany the people who live in the former East Germany have started to go more and more to the right wing.

[bigZ]

I was aware of the growing pro facism in Germany for a long time. But was shocked and suprised by the increasing popularity of facism and the Nazi cult in Russia.

Its also not suprising to hear of nostaligia for communism fin the former eastern block countries. Probably to do with economies trying to integrate with the EU and the loss of jobs in the heavy industry sector.

[plan_D]

I'm all too aware of that snake, Emac. He should have been hung, drawn and quartered a long, long time ago. But he's not the only creep that Great Britain has in it's long list of government officials.

[bigZ]

Today Merseyside MP Frank Fields demanded that all new immigrants should speak English before they arrive in the UK.

This has caused outrage amoung many claiming it would be "unworkable" and would setup a Catch-22 where thousands of refugees and legitimate migrants could not learn English before settling in Merseyside.

To my mind this MP is talking common sense. How can migrants integrate without having a good grasp of the English language?

Are immigration policy is topsy turvey. We welcome political dissadents but will kick out people who want to work. I am not anti imigration but think that we should adopt a policy more in keeping with New Zealands where you have too prove that you have skills that are going to benifit your adopted country. I am aware of the abuses and atrocities commited to some asylum seekers but we can't cure all the ills of the world by just letting anyone in.

[bigZ]

Emac don't worry about George Galloway he is just a figure of fun. Any Respect he had left was demolished when he appeared on a crap reality show called Big Brother, and pretened to be a cat liking milk out of some Z celebrity hands!!!!!

[plan_D]

I am anti-immigration. Currently the only people I would allow into Britain would be skilled workers. And a medical degree from some third world country that still practices voodoo doesn't rank as skilled, in my book.

For the unskilled jobs, we've got plenty of chav-scum that can be forced into cleaning our toilets and packing our toilet roll. Britain needs to be wiped clean. The prisons are over-flowing; we've never had this problem before. Doesn't this tell anyone anything? The criminal system is pathetic, it's too leniant. And more importantly - the country is full !

[Emac44]

George Gallaway is what we call here a fruit loop but fruit loops have an ability to attract other fruit loops of like minded ideas. I don't really care about George Gallaway because of his skewed politics but he can be some what of a rallying point for the sublime in politics. I can understand why he was on big brother as its bubble gum for the eyes and for the complete stupid and wastrels in society. He has also been to my understanding to the Middle East and took part in a sham trial of putting the US and George Bush on trial in absentia. he has also won a recent court battle against one of your newspaper groups so i do not underestimate some one like George Gallaway by any means. he is there there are others but thankfuly only a few. as there are right wing fruit loops as well in opposition to George Gallaway who also have the ability to attract the sublime of society. People like Ian Paisley for one and Gerry Adams though not right wing but former paramilitary Sien Fien who are deemed to have political sway in the UK. This is just one part of the EU as for example England. I suspect the rest of Europe has equally mindless and bloody minded single issue nit wits

[plan_D]

Sinn Fein have absolutely no sway in the U.K. Gerry Adams is about as important or worthwhile to the British public as a dog turd. Ian Paisley had the right idea; Northern Ireland is majority protestant and he wants it to be a part of the Union - just like his people do. They're not even worth mentioning alongside George Gallaway. You're better mention "Red" Ken Livingstone - the London Mayor.

[Emac44]

I am using them as examples Plan. Matter of fact I don't really mind Ian Paisely that much because of what he stands for. I wouldn't trust Sein Fien as far as i could throw it. But not heard of Ken Livingstone perhaps you could enlighten me about him Plan or other neo Nazi's and leaders of right and left wing political groups in England. By the way Plan we have our own branch of idiots. Persons like Bob Brown leader of the Greens and his mindless bunch of eco Green buddies who speak shite and **** in same sentance

[plan_D]

The Greens over here aren't even listened to; they're a laughing stock. We don't have Neo-Nazi's who pose a major threat to society, even if the media and left-wing idiots call the BNP Nazis.

"Red" Ken is just an idiot that makes himself known through stupid actions - for example calling a Jewish journalist a Nazi. And when he got suspended from duties for it; he called it undemocratic. He said that the Muslim extremists were not to blame for terrorist actions in Britain; but the British police and British regime were. He was calling the British the terrorists; and we're all to blame for the apparent hardships of Islam.

He blames terrorism on the West and claims that if we had left Arabia alone and simply bought their oil after World War I; we would never have had 9/11 or 7/7.

He's an idiot, pure and simple.

[Emac44]

Oh another wish to godda Plan wish to godda we left them alone wish to godda some one else takes responsibility for world crisis. Just another wish to godda he would piss of and grown some grey matter between ears. Now get the idea about Livingstone maybe he should go and find Stanley in the jungle again wish to godda i could think of a better pun

[Delusional]

PD,
First of all, the BNP has absolutely no power. Local power in England means nothing. With no MPs in the House of Commons, they're nothing. And the British system will surely keep it that way. They got like 0.7% of the vote last election! Second of all, how can you say that Labour is becoming more and more left? They've continued Thatcher's policies about as much as the Conservatives would if they were in power. Their manifesto doesn't even specifically focus on the working-class anymore, and they've dropped a lot of their socialist ideology. All parties in Britain are and always have been relatively centrist and moderate compared to Continental Europe. I'd say this a good thing; leads to stability. Lastly, Ken Livingstone has a good point, in some ways. England treats its immigrants like second-class citizens, denying them jobs, housing, and education. Many of these terrorists are protesting being treated this way in a country that they call their home. England's immigrant population is only about 3%, and yet you all still whine about it. Treat them like human beings, and then maybe your own citizens won't bomb your subways.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Delusional

England treats its immigrants like second-class citizens, denying them jobs, housing, and education. Many of these terrorists are protesting being treated this way in a country that they call their home. England's immigrant population is only about 3%, and yet you all still whine about it. Treat them like human beings, and then maybe your own citizens won't bomb your subways.

All I will say is that I don't believe ANY gov't owes new immigrants jobs, housing, or education (if you ask me the gov't doesn't owe that to its own citizens). You want to come to a new country, you bust your arse and put a stake in the ground. The gov't doesn't owe those things to you, you must fight for them. The US gov't never gave my Polish and Irish immigrant ancestors squat. That's just my opinion. By the way, after immigrating to Britain, what entitlements are you actually entitled to you, not being a citizen yet? I would imagine that would incur the hostility of the populations.

[bigZ]

Originally Posted by Delusional

PD,
First of all, the BNP has absolutely no power. Local power in England means nothing. With no MPs in the House of Commons, they're nothing. And the British system will surely keep it that way. They got like 0.7% of the vote last election! Second of all, how can you say that Labour is becoming more and more left? They've continued Thatcher's policies about as much as the Conservatives would if they were in power. Their manifesto doesn't even specifically focus on the working-class anymore, and they've dropped a lot of their socialist ideology. All parties in Britain are and always have been relatively centrist and moderate compared to Continental Europe. I'd say this a good thing; leads to stability. Lastly, Ken Livingstone has a good point, in some ways. England treats its immigrants like second-class citizens, denying them jobs, housing, and education. Many of these terrorists are protesting being treated this way in a country that they call their home. England's immigrant population is only about 3%, and yet you all still whine about it. Treat them like human beings, and then maybe your own citizens won't bomb your subways.

You are quite correct if anything Labour is more conseravtive than the Conservatives. We have had more privatisation under labour than the conservatives and they seem to be privatising the National Health service by stealth. Dont get me started on Gordon Brown wiping the slate clean with 3rd World Countries.

As for the ethnic situation its a mess. On the one hand we are having police investigations undermined with information being leeked(causing even more heightened suspision of muslims). But it reflects badly on the police having these dawn raids holding somebody without charge for 28 days(They want to increase this) then releasing them. Then we have free days out on coaches etc for imigrants not to mention the positive discrimination used by councils for employing people. It makes no sense denying British born citizens jobs such as nursing to give it to immigrants who dont have even the basic grasp of the English language.

Their are radical movements here and mainly seems to be effecting some of the younger British born Muslims rather than the 1st or 2nd generation immigrants.

The big concern is the attack to are judicial system by this Government, the equivilant to rewritting the US constitution. What the point attacking terrorisim if the democracy your trying to protect is being eroded by are own.

[Emac44]

Did i read that correctly from Dillusionable or did i make a mistake. In migrating to a country one has to at least make some efforts about trying to make ones self and their families at least assimulate to the society you are immigrating to. There are no free hand outs there are no reasons why the current population of that country you are immigrating to have any reason other to welcome you to your new country have to bend over backwards to accomodate you in way form or fashion. To try and tie up the train and Bus bombings in London in July 2005 is ridiculous and also naive. That was due to political and religious ideology. However the English themselves are not to blame for those bombings and to try and tie it up in such a way if it was is purely purile juvenile and sublime to the point of being ridiculous. There are no guaranttees that any one immigrating to a new country is promised employment or housing. Government assistence in Education is there for example classes in English Language etc. But once again there are no guaranttees of placement like employment etc. As for public Health in England there is the national health scheme similar to that of medicare in Australia but there are limitations to be excepted onto the registrar as in medicare in Australia. Dilusional think you need to come and look at reality and not make outlandish statements like you just have