Can the EU keep peace in Europe

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Delusional

You might be able to legislate what language is on a sign, but you cannot legislate what language is in a home.

I don't think any one wants to legislate what is spoken in one's home - both my parents spoke Spanish and my household was basically "Spanglish." In public it's a matter of conformance and as you put it the majority of Americans (including Hispanics) want English established as the official language. I lived in Quebec for 3 1/2 years - I could tell you about their nightmares and the only way to avoid something like that here is to make English the official language.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by Delusional

PD,
One policy (a stance on immigration) does not determine liberalism. For the most part, Labour is still very moderate and as much conservative as they are liberal.

It seems to me that you attribute individual problems that certain immigrants are causing to the immigrant population as a whole. That's certainly not fair. Not all Muslims want to ruin the U.K. In fact, I'm sure that a majority are more concerned with seeking out a reasonable living than with "breeding out the British population." I didn't mean to offend you, but the U.K. does not have the kind of affirmative action laws that the U.S. has. You may think that the government gives immigrants handouts, but whether that is true or a myth perpetuated by the Caucasian majority, immigrants as a whole are treated poorly by British citizens. Even those that are citizens are looked upon as inferior to a Caucasian citizen.

mkloby,
Learning English is a lot harder than you might think. You might assume that because someone does not speak perfect English that they do not care or are not trying, but this is seldom the case. There is plenty of incentive for immigrants to learn English; mainly, the poor service, rudeness, and disrespect they receive from those of us who were born into an English-speaking world. They are often treated as though they are less intelligent because they do not speak the language of the majority in a nation. Establishing English as the national official language (while I am not against it, per se) will change next to nothing. You might be able to legislate what language is on a sign, but you cannot legislate what language is in a home. The multiple non-English languages spoken in the United States will not cease to exist. By the way, 4/5 of all Americans and 2/3 of Hispanics support English becoming America's official language, and several bills have previously passed in Congress that have begun or will begin to implement this majoritarian desire.

Source:
Official English Legislation Introduced in U.S. House of Representatives

English is the language of business, education, health, an all other major programs in the US. If you want to be successful in the US, you must be fluent in English. Those who promote programs like English as a Second Language is doing a great disservice to the students and, in fact, are condemning them to a continuous struggle to obtain position. Unfortunately the ESL classes, I suspect, too often turn into Spanish only, since it is naturally easier for the students. If I was immigrated to Germany and intended to do business there and raise my children there, I would work hard at learning German and I would insist my children learn it also. In fact, I probably would want German spoken in my house. It would only be the smart thing to do.

I agree that language is naturally dividing force. When you have different language in a society, a natural separation occurs. This is magnified when the languages are legal languages, as in Canada. With this, finger pointing occurs, accusations occur, blame for economic problems occur, ad infinitum.

[Emac44]

No one is stopping any one speaking their native language at home in this case in particular in England that language maybe Arabic or Hindi or even Chinese. But out in the wider community as England is an English speaking Nation as such then English in the language spoken in the wider community, not just spoken but the education system is guided by it and written English is used. English Language courses are available to the best of my knowledge in England as they are here in Australia for migrants. But here is a catch point. some cultures in England or Australia forbid that members of the family go beyond the family group or Migrant community to further educate themselves in a different enviroment or country. As for example Muslim Men forbidding their Wives or their Female Children from attending Futher English studies to improve their ability to speak English. And delusionable this does occur by the way. Came across it here in Australia. As my wife is a Filippina and she wanted to enhance her English. It was well known and spoken about that some Muslim Families refused their female members to attend English study courses. and that similar events were occuring in England. Why this was occuring was either Cultural or Religious intolerance on the behalf of the Muslim Families themselves. And this being the case. is it the Governments Fault of England or Australia if theses so called immigrants are cutting themselves of from mainstream society in their new adopted country. There are migrants here and i suspect the same in England or the US who can not mutter one word in English, yet they live in a country where English is mostly universally spoken or written.


You have ignored my posts as such pertaining to Anti Discrimination Laws that occur not only in England but also Australia. that cover the rights of Migrants both to England or Australia but Englishmen have come in here and told you what is going on. yet you still persist that the English Government and its people are raqcist and have near racist laws and judgemental standards in place. Yet British Laws under Anti Discrimination Acts of Parliament which you ignore and contend by your posts do not exsist or have little impact on daily life in England. Perhaps you would understand that these laws in place carry jail sentances and fines if not both and court cases both in England and Australia have occured when it appears these laws have been broken. As for some one like Plan getting angry I suppose he is justified in his stance.
He comes from a back ground of When in Rome you do as the Romans do. which is totally fair in its concepts. He has to obey all laws legislated by English Parliament he has sent his children as prescribed by law to schools which teach not only English but also mathematics taught in English. He has had to except other cultures that under Anti Discrimination he has to tolerate. He has had to see his country trying desperaterly trying to accomodate different cultures and then when he comes home to his home and his wife and children turns on the computer logs onto this site he then sees your posts and it annoys him for you are speaking something foriegn to him and ignores the fact that England does have all these LAWS IN PLACE for the benefit of all..


I suppose your first post that England brought on these terrorists acts themselves was something that totally pissed him of no end. Next are you going to say the Spanish Madrid bombings that occured in Madrid was the English fault or the Bali Bombings in Bali was my fault or the Bombings in India last year was the Indian Governments fault. or don't you see there are extremists groups who decided some time ago regardless of our own cultures or our own standards of living that their culture and religion most be prominent and that we all must curtail to it or die. Ok I will except its my fault because I would rather die and be dictated by you or any one else I have to except Allah or Mohommad by either force or comments like yours

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Delusional

PD,
One policy (a stance on immigration) does not determine liberalism. For the most part, Labour is still very moderate and as much conservative as they are liberal.

It seems to me that you attribute individual problems that certain immigrants are causing to the immigrant population as a whole. That's certainly not fair. Not all Muslims want to ruin the U.K. In fact, I'm sure that a majority are more concerned with seeking out a reasonable living than with "breeding out the British population." I didn't mean to offend you, but the U.K. does not have the kind of affirmative action laws that the U.S. has. You may think that the government gives immigrants handouts, but whether that is true or a myth perpetuated by the Caucasian majority, immigrants as a whole are treated poorly by British citizens. Even those that are citizens are looked upon as inferior to a Caucasian citizen.

Source:
Official English Legislation Introduced in U.S. House of Representatives

Delusional you do not live in Europe. You may have visited Europe but you do not know or understand the problems that are going. Atleast not as well as people who live in Europe such as me and pD.

It is a majority of the immigrants that are doing this. Have you seen the number of immigrants that live under state funded welfare and do not have a job but because the country is too afraid to say something like "Get a Job or Get the hell out of my Country!" because it does not want to offend anyone because of good old WW2! They recieve everything from the government but hold no job. They drive Mercs and live in fairly nice houses paid for by the Government. As soon as they dont like something that the Government is doing they raise hell and march down the streets and the government conceeds to them.

Thankgod the government is starting to crack down! I am getting pissed off.

Yes I agree that some Muslims do not want to take down England or Germany but have you seen the litterally 50,000 strong marches by them with signs that the German flag will replaced by a flag of Islam in Berlin? Have you, I doubt it because you dont know what is going on in Europe as much as you think you do.

Have you heard about them protesting a town near where I live for building a new church but they really want to build a Mosque! Thankgod the town voted and said "No you cant have a Mosque. We would rather not have our church either than have to listen to you sing prayers over a loud speaker at 5 in the morning! Besides this is not a town in Iran!"

Please Delusional when it comes to topics of what is going on in Europe listen to the people that live there instead of "thinking" to much...

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Firstly, I must apologise for kicking off. I had a bad day and blatant lies; like those put forward about my country tipped me over the edge. However, I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

Chris;

From what I have seen of Germany (not much, I know); Britain is an even softer touch to those that do not deserve it and foreign migrants. I know we chatted about this a little when I was over there. It's a problem throughout Europe.

Matt;

I see your point completely. I was already angry so couldn't really answer you straight. Northern Ireland is a very difficult situation as I'm sure you know; I for one did a history assignment on Northern Ireland while in school.

I personally think the North should be kept seperate but with a joint Catholic-Protestant parliament. But I'm going to be honest; the country will never be sorted out. It's up to the people themselves to accept their position; whether Ireland reunites or not - someone will be upset.

I'm not going to pretend I know how to solve the problem - it's been there since the split in 1921; and even before that.

And when I get sorted; I would gladly put you or anyone else up for a week or two. Albeit I don't think you'd want to visit Doncaster...

Emac;

Well, since you have spoken to many British migrants and people like me - I will take that you know more than most people that haven't been here; or even spoken to many Brits.
I've known 12 people; with their families that have migrated to Canada, Australia and New Zealand. All those left because they were getting ripped off in this country and/or were appalled at the increase in hand-outs given to the stupid amount of immigrants flooding the country, and smashing British culture to pieces.

I don't want to leave the great heritage of Great Britain to the dogs; but I'm afraid I will do when given half the chance.

Plan its because my ex wife and her family are English as well. They migrated here in the early 1970s just before my family came home from Malaysia. Ex wife's family came from Scunthorpe Lincolnshire as to their attitude for leaving England varies. 1 they had better opportunities here, which they worked hard took advantage of to ensure a good life here. 2 each one of them says the same things have changed in England for the worse. They are not racists or bigots etc. they are moderates who saw things going bad to worse over last 30 years in England. 3 Their own family relatives complain about the migrant problems in England and I am well aware of what they are saying because they still speak to me even though i am divorced from my ex wife etc 4 I have work mates who are English they travel back home to see their families etc work mates come back saying same thing. Better here than back in England for exact same reasons as above what my ex wife's family is saying etc

Another reason being to Plan I am a ex Union representative for Rail Bus and Transport Union (RBTU). And as such had knowledge of working conditions Union Movements and also Anti Discrimination Legislation that is in England from Union Connections with International Railwaymens Unions through out the world. But according to Delusionable we are all wrong and only he is correct and all the English are racists and treat migrants shockingly. I have to admit I have never been to England would like to etc.

But I would rather trust what people are saying and seeing the roits on the media and reasons why they are occuring then some left wing preamble that Delusionable is spewing out. Racism can never be legislated against. But from my own research as such Plan it goes 2 ways. There are racists Englishmen and women but these are counter balanced by racists migrants coming to your country expecting every one should bend over backwards to accomodate their needs and wants Because mate some of them are trying it on here. and same problems are occuring. And those rapes of those Sydney Teenage Girls actually did take place by a group of Lebonese males who are Muslims. Did those girls ask to be raped no they bloody didn't. Do we expect all who live in Australia to abide by our Federal and State Laws?

Yes we bloody well do regardless where people originated from and criminal behaviour committed by any one is not tolerated under the Laws of the Land. Are Migrants expected to work? Yes they are and its their responsibility after a settling in period to find employment and housing. There are programs to assist migrants in settling in to a new country but these have time limits etc. Is there problems with Australian citizens excepting Migrants? Mostly no in general but we have a saying here. If you don't like it here then bloody well leave and go home and that applies to any migrant not just Muslims.

Even my current wife who has migrated here from the Philippines shakes her head at the attitude of Islamic Muslims here in Australia and she by all accounts is a migrant herself. she doesn't get that from me she sees it herself and has experienced herself in the Philippines with extremists Islamic Fundamentalist in Southern Philippines etc. But delusionable would then say the Philippine People are racist etc.

Maybe they are but the majority of Filippinos are Catholic. They try and accomodate the Muslims in Southern Philippines and celebrate Rammadhan nation wide. But the Muslims want atonomy and an indepeandance from rest of Philippines and expect the Government and the People of the Philippines to pay for it. But also they want all in the Philippines to pay for Islamic Education programs and other Islamic programs put in place paid for by the Philippine tax payer regardless of their own religious back ground. Needless to say Islamic Fundamentalists have caused untold problems in the Philippines and are linked to other groups in the Asian region from Malaysia and Indonesia as well as in Afghanistan

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by Emac44

we have a saying here. If you don't like it here then bloody well leave and go home and that applies to any migrant not just Muslims.

No way! You have to celebrate their hatred of your country that they were never asked to come to man. Get with hit Emac!

Abu Sayyaf - yeah a real peaceful group Yet another islamic terrorist organization. I did some research on history of islamic law, and some interpretations of of their law say a muslim cannot be ruled over by a non muslim. Islamic fundamentalism is obviously a widespread issue and global problem - so the argument of Christian/Jewish texts saying brutish things is not a counter-argument. It's a problem that is not going to subside anytime soon. But to some the solution is to accomodate them, let them steamroll over us, and murder all the infidels across the world. After all, to these people their ultimate goal is to make the world say that there is one god, and that god is allah.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I lived in Quebec for 3 1/2 years - I could tell you about their nightmares and the only way to avoid something like that here is to make English the official language.

Are you talking about the Bill 101, FBJ ? The law that forbid anyone to advertise in English if they don't advertise in French (with French advertisement 70% bigger than English) ?

I remember of a bed & breakfast near Montréal who was advertising in a 50% - 50% proportion a few years back. The "Office Nationale de la Langue Française" went there and forced them to change their advertisement. It went to Civil Court but the owners lost.

I would love to see them do the same thing with the Hell's Angels, the Rock Machines or the Bandidos... I think their inspectors would never be seen again.

The ONLF is the most useless branch of the Provincial gouvernment.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Are you talking about the Bill 101, FBJ ? The law that forbid anyone to advertise in English if they don't advertise in French (with French advertisement 70% bigger than English) ?

Yep! When I was there I loved F#cking with the language police...

[Delusional]

Emac,
I'm not trying to ignore your posts; I just have a hard time following them. Your writing is one big block of unedited, streaming words. I am not trying to insult you, as you will probably say that I am. I have noticed that you are putting unfair words into my mouth, probably due to your emotional reaction to what I have said.

Adler,
I have a really hard time imagining that immigrants who have no jobs are all riding around in Mercedes. I think that you are exaggerating a bit.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by Delusional

Emac,
I'm not trying to ignore your posts; I just have a hard time following them. Your writing is one big block of unedited, streaming words. I am not trying to insult you, as you will probably say that I am. I have noticed that you are putting unfair words into my mouth, probably due to your emotional reaction to what I have said.

Adler,
I have a really hard time imagining that immigrants who have no jobs are all riding around in Mercedes. I think that you are exaggerating a bit.

Delusionable if you are having problems understanding what is written in English then the problem truly belongs to you. Seemingly no one else has that problem but you. And can you prove Adler wrong. As you have not been able to prove any one incorrect. Is that more precise for your understanding? As for putting words in your mouth. Not possible as there is no room for words being put in your mouth either emotional or otherwise. Your own 2 feet are firmly lodged in that mouth of yours, When you typed your **** in the first place

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by mkloby

No way! You have to celebrate their hatred of your country that they were never asked to come to man. Get with hit Emac!

Abu Sayyaf - yeah a real peaceful group Yet another islamic terrorist organization. I did some research on history of islamic law, and some interpretations of of their law say a muslim cannot be ruled over by a non muslim. Islamic fundamentalism is obviously a widespread issue and global problem - so the argument of Christian/Jewish texts saying brutish things is not a counter-argument. It's a problem that is not going to subside anytime soon. But to some the solution is to accomodate them, let them steamroll over us, and murder all the infidels across the world. After all, to these people their ultimate goal is to make the world say that there is one god, and that god is allah.

Oh **** yeah celebrate their problem of hatred about us. Yeah right I celebrate it completely hahaha

[plan_D]

How can you claim that Adler is exaggerating; you've never left the U.S - Delusional. You haven't seen Europe with your own eyes; the closest you have come to that is looking at a map.

You claim that Britain treats the immigrants unfairly; but you do not tell us where you get this vision from. You've never been here, ever. You don't hear of the car allowance immigrants can apply for; yes, they can get cars from the government. You don't stand in the streets of Great Britain and see Polish, Kosvian, Iraqi, Bulgarian, Pakistani, Palestinian and Africans amongst many others all speaking their own language with nice leather jackets and expensive shoes.

You don't see that all the homeless on Doncaster's streets are white; because the government will not allow a foreigner to be homeless. You don't see the Police force turning away white applicants because we need a "multi-cultural" force. You don't see the Africans at my work place willing seggregate themselves from everyone else because multi-culture doesn't work. You don't see "Asian-only" days in our theme-parks. You don't hear of Muslim only gangs openly admitting they rape white girls only. You don't hear that Muslims in British prisons having better meals and better cells than any other inmate.

You don't see anything of this country; you don't have a f*cking clue! You just sit there in your nice little college; in your own little world; looking through rose tinted glasses. My advice to you is keep your nose out of European politics because you are clueless on the matter. And you're proving it time and time again.

How exactly do you know more about how Britain treats Muslims than me? When I live here; and you've never seen the White Cliffs of Dover?

Emac; Scunthorpe! I live right next to that place; well about 20 miles away. I sort mail to that place; postcode DN15 - DN17.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by plan_D

How can you claim that Adler is exaggerating; you've never left the U.S - Delusional. You haven't seen Europe with your own eyes; the closest you have come to that is looking at a map.

You claim that Britain treats the immigrants unfairly; but you do not tell us where you get this vision from. You've never been here, ever. You don't hear of the car allowance immigrants can apply for; yes, they can get cars from the government. You don't stand in the streets of Great Britain and see Polish, Kosvian, Iraqi, Bulgarian, Pakistani, Palestinian and Africans amongst many others all speaking their own language with nice leather jackets and expensive shoes.

You don't see that all the homeless on Doncaster's streets are white; because the government will not allow a foreigner to be homeless. You don't see the Police force turning away white applicants because we need a "multi-cultural" force. You don't see the Africans at my work place willing seggregate themselves from everyone else because multi-culture doesn't work. You don't see "Asian-only" days in our theme-parks. You don't hear of Muslim only gangs openly admitting they rape white girls only. You don't hear that Muslims in British prisons having better meals and better cells than any other inmate.

You don't see anything of this country; you don't have a f*cking clue! You just sit there in your nice little college; in your own little world; looking through rose tinted glasses. My advice to you is keep your nose out of European politics because you are clueless on the matter. And you're proving it time and time again.

How exactly do you know more about how Britain treats Muslims than me? When I live here; and you've never seen the White Cliffs of Dover?

Emac; Scunthorpe! I live right next to that place; well about 20 miles away. I sort mail to that place; postcode DN15 - DN17.

Hell you understand my post Plan. was beginning to think I write to much of a debate that Delusionable can't yet quiet comprehend. Sorry I only speak in English and type the same. I even re-editted my last 3 postings that delusional can bloody understand them Plan.

And Delusionble you made a wild erratic statement without any qualifying evidence to back up your inflammatory statement. Now come forth with your sources. Or other wise go back into you little world of shitful useless statements with no evidence to back up such stupid remarks.

Hell Plan we are debating with a college boy of less then 20 years of age. About time he came into the real world. and not some college that teaches crap about other countries and clueless about Discriminations Laws that are current in your country as well as mine. By the way Delusional. We do know about your own countries civil rights abuses past and present. So perhaps we may discuss about things like the current Mexican Immigrant problems your country has whether they be Legal or Illegal Immigrants and how they are treated in the US generally. so tell us Delusional. Do all Immigrants Legal or Illegal get a fair shake in the US? Are Illegal Mexican Workers being duped into unskilled work forces being treated with dignity or are able to get health care or are they seen as filthy Spics doing meanially employment for low wages and generally treated as sub human by some US Citizens

Now lets go back some 40 years in the US. say around the 1960s in the Southern USA. States like Alabama or MIssisippi or even perhaps Florida. Lets see ever heard of an organisation called the KLU KLUX KLAN. I am sure you have. Seem to remember some Klan Member being jailed recently for a murder he committed some 40 years ago as well. Shot the victim outside his own home with a high powered rifle. And did this in front of the victims family right in the drive way of the victims home. Also seem to remember during the 19th Century. The US had an unofficial type of immigrantion as well. It was called in the Northern Part of the USA as such. NO IRISH NEED APPLY and this was for employment and housing

And lets go back to the Civil Rights movement for a while. Just How many Negro Civil Rights Organisers are still alive from the 1960s? Martin Luther King was shot. Malcom X was shot. 2 of your most prominent Civil rights Leaders killed violently for some reason or another. You had riots in your city streets in those days. And some of us can also remember the incident in California. when Rodney King was given a kicking by Police Officers and the ensuring riots that occurred. Oh yes we did see that my friend. Broadcast all over the world

You even had a Civil War over Black Bondage and Slavery. Not one European Country of England or even Australia have had a BLOODY CIVIL WAR over Black Slavery. But your country has had one. Funny about how you cast such missles at the English but forgot to mention your own Country's sad history about migrants and people forced into slavery on your own shores. I might remind you that it was England who banned Slavery in the 1800s by an Act of Parliament. Yet the US still continued with Slavery 30 years afterwards. It has been your Country men who came out with such endearing terms to describe other people of ethnic back grounds. A popular one was (G)OOK another was (N)IGGER and here is another SAND (N)IGGER or TOWEL HEAD or Camel ******. Such lovely terms aren't they? And all can be deemed from US Culture. And how did the US treat the Filippinos in the Philippines or the People of Guam or Panama or even Port Rica. If you don't know I suggest you find out real quick Delusional

Oh and I forgot to mention the Cuban Riots in Florida some years back. Where Cubans of the Illegal nature were placed into what one would call loosely a detention camp. Where gang violence took place regularly and little policing was enforced by the Authorities and eventually a full scale riot took place by the inmates due to some Federal Laws being changed that effected the Cubans and other Hispanics as well. Pity you forgot to mention all that Delusional. And what is the statistic in your criminal institutions? In your jails? Is it more Blacks then Whites in your Criminal Institutions? And just how many Negros in the US have been executed through the entire US and each individual Sate or the Union?. Compared to other races being executed? And then to prove to the world you are not so racially bigoted. Your Country has Malcom X Day or Martin Luther King Day as public holidays just to kid yourselves that every one is treated equally. What a ****ing sham Delusional. Those 2 men were murdered by decree by some one who had their own agendas about racial purity. Your country even went to the extend on banning the KKK. So what did it do but go under ground, side stepped and other organisations like the Arayan Brotherhood sprung up through jails in the US to take the place of the KKK. And then we have the Negro Gangs in the Cities through the US and the Hispanic Gangs and the Cuban Gangs and Latin Gangs all dealing in drugs and violence and occassionaly fighting each other over turf and racial discrimination. What a lovely snap shot of US Society that conjures to the mind.

Can you explain to Plan and I why all this is in your country and you Americans bloody well try and export it via the Media Movies Films Music Industry Newspapers and Television? Can you imagine what the rest of the world sees coming from the USA.? And you have the gall to make an outlandish statement about the English and Englands treament of its immigrants. Fix up your own problems before making stupid irrational judgements about a country you have never been to.

By the way to qualify to my US friends. I am not judging your country. but pointing out to Delusional some aspects that are from your country past and present problems your country has and so does mine. And also so does England. So please do not take it personal. As it isn't an attack on the US but a debate with some one who has made illogical and irrational statements with no evidence of the contary to back up such silly statements as Delusional has made in this forum and debate.

And by the way Delusional. I may not have been to the US but I do happen to know events that have occurred in the US. But by sure I am not making such outlandish statements as you have made. Each one of the parts of this posting can be backed up by any historical account you want. From the treament of the Irish Immigrants to Black Slavery, KLU KLUX KLAN. Gang Warfare and Violence. The Murders of Malcom X Martin Luther King. Rise of Arayan Brother Hood in the jails. Treatment of Latin Mexican Cuban and other Hispanic Nationalities in the US.

All of which has been documented and is readily available in libaries or the net. or even through Archives of the Media. Hell even England introduced the right for women to vote nationally before the US had done in most States of the USA. And fair legal representation in the courts under divorce laws and family laws for women. England had even banned child labour whilst in American factories children were still being forced to work in some US States. And England was the first country to introduce a document called the Magna Carta that led to people eventually being free to vote and move from city to city as they please. May have taken 600 years to do so and up until the Industrial Revolution and a Civil War before the Industrial Revolution. But your country still had indentured workers being forced into serfdom in the 1830s and the thing called the Mason Dixon Line and the Dred Scott incident prior to your own Civil War. Perhaps Delusional. I have given you something to read in the next few days and definitely find out about these things before you try and come in here and debate something you have little knowledge off. By the way I suspect most of your country men who frequent this forum will know about the events in history of the USA I have mentioned.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Delusional

Adler,
I have a really hard time imagining that immigrants who have no jobs are all riding around in Mercedes. I think that you are exaggerating a bit.

Why dont you come over here and see it for yourself then, rather than make assumptions about something you dont know about. Because you obviously do not have a clue.

They recieve free housing, monthly salary as long as they are looking for employment, they recieve kinder geld for each child they have. They take all this money and buy nice things and dont work. They never find work, but "look" for work.

I know a bit more about than you do, I live over here you sure as hell dont!