Can the EU keep peace in Europe

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Well said Emac.

I dont care what a professor who has lived in the States for the last 20 plus years has to say just because they go back home on vacation. I dont give a damn what a text book says. Especially a text book written by someone who probably does not know there head from there ass when it comes to a topic of European politics because they more likely never really lived in Europe to understand it.

Living in a place is different from reading it in text book or just visiting the place.

One thing I learned when I was in college was to take a quarter of the information that was in the text books and call it false or just plain opinion.

That's a really good point about the textbooks. In all my political science courses, and almost every new book we used would generally stink of a left bias. Obviously you can pick up on a books politics easily, and bear that in mind throughout reading. I had one amazing socialist teacher who taught how the US was the source of all evil in the world, and would get into daily disagreements in class with him.

The real shame, however, is that academia is overwhelmingly dominated by liberal/left minded individuals, whose primary goal is to stamp out students with their value system, not to foster a well balanced across the board education.

[Erich]

it's all the same as it was in the 60's till now. I went through the brain washing in high school and part of college. they tried to brain wash me overseas, they have tried to brain wash me growing up as a husband and a father and continue to do so as I serve the government on unmentionable acts. Money talks, it finds resources through evil people and then gets implemented. It will get worse and he govt. will control more and more parts of our lives lathough we wish not. you chaps and we later will have to do our best to keep factions of individuals out of our country .......... is it getting too late ? seems so. Our dear presidante' has been subtle enough on his reforms of immigration. In other words has taken NO stand on the issue of our borders. You guys in Europe thanks to the post WW 2 generation have been so dupped the easterners have come into your countries and made a good solid slate of communities infiltrating where they should not have.

let the stones fly

[timshatz]

College is where I got annoyed by the lefties. It was during the Apartied (or whatever) thing. Didn't know more than the clowns that built the "Shanties" on campus but knew enough to know they were full of crap. They'd demonstrate by "living" in the shanties during the day then clear out when it got cold. Go back to their dorm rooms. It was crap and most of the students knew it.

[Delusional]

Why do you assume that I haven't examined other bodies of evidence, Emac? I've read other articles on the subject, and perhaps my views are a bit skewed by my professor, but it's not that I have taken her word as the law. A lot of members have misunderstood me by assuming that I meant that the government in the U.K. treats immigrants poorly. They very well may not, but the government can only do so much to stop the prejudice of others. And these others may be in charge of administering education, housing, jobs, health care, etc. In social aspects, many immigrants in the U.K. feel as though they are being told by the Caucasian majority that they don't belong. And several members of this forum prove that point. It's too bad that we don't have any members who are part of a European minority. Perhaps they would see where I am coming from.

I never said that politics were for me. I'm not studying politics; I'm just taking a class outside of my major. Politics interest me, sure, but I'm not going to spend my life on them.

You did not "switch the argument," you accused me of not noting my own country's mistakes when we had not been talking about that. If I had said that the population of the U.K. is racist, but the population of the U.S. is not, then your "switch in argument" would have been warranted. But instead you put words into my mouth, yet again. And I will say it again, because it is still true. If you knew anything about me (which of course you don't, but act as though you do), you would see that I am just as critical, if not more so, of the U.S.

Why would you have spelled my screen name incorrectly on purpose? That doesn't even make sense...
Sounds like an excuse to me.

By the way, Adler,
My professor is only 25, so she left England only six years ago, if you can even say that she ever left, since she still spends more than a quarter of every year there. Also, the author of my textbook is British. So many of you assume things so easily...

[Emac44]

You have condemned yourself by your own words in this forum. You had made statements and continue to make statements through ignorance and yet you are still trying to defend your own stance by saying others are putting words into your own mouth. Yes I do not know you but going by your own statements you are sprouting rhetoric that has not been researched. You claimed that you got your information from your Professor who by all accounts is just 25 years old and has lived only 6 years in the USA and spent 19 years living in England. My dear girl you can not Continue this debate until you begin further research and still by your own admission that you do not know.

You assume that governmental bodies responsible for migrant housing taxation or other government areas maybe racists or have attitudes to exclude migrants etc. Yet you have ACTUAL ENGLISH RESIDENTS TELLING YOU OTHERWISE which you dismiss. You have accused Caucasian Majority of racists comments or their lack of understanding of immigrants. Point is you do not know my dear girl. You are assuming that racisms comes only from the White Community in England. The persons who planted those bombs were not immigrants but 3rd generation English Pakistani. As for the social welfare schemes to assist migrants in England they do exsist. and still you can not comprehend this. The other members of this forum have told you in no uncertain terms of these social welfare payments by the British Government to migrants and still you do not believe or comprehend this is being done. You have failed to recognise that England has an act of Parliament in place called Anti Discrimination Act and has been in place for over many years. They also have inside the Act of Anti Discrimination sub clauses that related to Anti Villification Acts and I suggest you try and aquaint yourself with these before making further statements on things you still have little knowledge of. You still believe that most in this forum are either like the majority in England that we go around bashing Migrants. We do not or should I say I do not.

If I want to change tack or attack you on statements you have made I will and again stop crying on your computer screen over it. If I attack you over issues what I feel important or revelant sorry once again I will do so. Don't like it don't reply. If you think I am ignorant and rude. Again the answer is tough. Go tell some one who cares. If you can not understand why I changed your name intentionally once again too bad. I am not taking time to explain it to you. if you want to speak to European minorities then I suggest you go into Yahoo or one of the other chat rooms. Or better still go and find out for yourself what it is like in England or Europe but go with an open mind. You have still a lot to learn my dear girl.

I suggest you take the time to read this document file I have put onto this forum page for you. It goes into great detail of English Government treatment of foriegn nationals immigrating to England. Which catergory some come under and which and how they are affected by various legislation under British Immigration Laws. It also explains Anti Discrimination and some of the Acts of Parliament of the Crown in the benefit of migrants in England. Though no Government Department is accurate in all affairs and mistakes are made. The document expresses that England even as an EU Member still has the right to formulate their own Immigration Laws. There are several sections and areas of various immigration that is covered generally. I suggest too that around page 10 to 14 of the document it talks about Immigration Settlement Awards. Which is an amount of money paid to a certain class of immigant under the catergory they meet and was referred to by other forum users in this debate. It refers also in the document as Family Reunion types of Immigration and takes into account near relatives like Spouse Children Grandparents etc etc but once again it depends on what areas have to be met by the immigrant and department concerned. In overall it is a quiet equal and fair immigration policy. Though all might not be pleased, it is simple basis of human nature you can not please every one. As for the third class treatment of some immigrants. their individual cases would have to be examined and not taken on face value as you and your professor have done. On the closing pages it details where all the information has come from and which government departments have given said information. I suggest you begin reading my dear girl. And you will observe this report was done by an independant agency in the EU. Same agency also examines Immigration Policies of 10 other EU Member Countries.

http://www.migpolgroup.com/multiatta...MD_UK_2005.pdf

For further information this web address of from above document file will help you discover more information on EU Immigration Polices effecting several Countries Migration Policy Group - Homepage and the 2005 anti discrimination report found by going to this web page and d/loading the 66 page file
Migration Policy Group: Country Reports: United Kingdom Anti Discrimination Country Report 2005

[bomber]

Australia... Is it true a country that sold itself to the Japanese to such an extent that there are even golf courses that are 'Japanese only' ?

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by bomber

Australia... Is it true a country that sold itself to the Japanese to such an extent that there are even golf courses that are 'Japanese only' ?

Some say Bomber but we do have an idea. We occassionally feed salt water crocodiles Japanese tourists. We found even the crocs like sushi. we use to feed the occassional Englishman to the crocodiles but Animal Rights Activites starting complaining that the Crocodiles couldn't get rid of the smell or taste

[plan_D]

Your professor is one in sixty million. If I was that said professor; would you take my words as gospel? The fact that I spend the ENTIRE year here makes me much more qualified than some university brat. And yes; the vast majority of uni goers in Britain are brats; party goers and wasters. Maybe she didn't tell you that.

Tell me; where in Britain was this woman from? The south? Where the migrant trouble evolves around African gun crime; or the north where the migrant "workers" bleed us dry?

You're damn right these people aren't wanted but we can't show that pubilically. It's a crime to be racist in this country - or didn't your well of knowledge on Britain tell you that?

You argue with me; someone who lives in Britain; in a working class town of 76,000 that revolves around warehouse jobs and manual labour. You argue with me and tell me that it's the British peoples fault that we had terrorist attacks? And your argument is based on BOOKS and an obviously rich leftist lecturer.

Ladies and Gentlemen; lets go tell those fighting in all previous wars that whatever they say is wrong because we have BOOKS that prove them wrong. The fact they were there means nothing.

Your "evidence" is a load of bull - media based bull. The stories of "racist" attacks more often than not end up as black on black gang crime. The "racist" attacks on Asians is racial feuds between Indians and Muslims - or some muslim insulted their family by defiling their daughter.

I don't want them here - but I also don't want the white freeloaders; or learnt their ways off this immigrant scum. And I don't care if you're white, black, blue or yellow - you live off MY tax money without reason; you're scum.

MK - if anyone pushes to stop all this abuse of the British health system and benefits - we'd be racist bigots or nazis. Delusional would have experience in calling people that.

I've been called everything from a communist to a nazi; racist; bigot; war monger; ignorant; low life - whatever.

Racist or not; I want them out of my country so my money can go to keep my country afloat. Millions of men have not died through the centuries defending against European, Asian and American powers to allow the country to collapse under the weight of an immigration invasion.

Delusional; you haven't got a leg to stand on. You read texts and think you've got a clue. But you don't work amongst Britons; you don't walk on British soil; you have never seen this country - ever. You've spoken to one person - one person in sixty million.

[bomber]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Some say Bomber but we do have an idea. We occassionally feed salt water crocodiles Japanese tourists. We found even the crocs like sushi. we use to feed the occassional Englishman to the crocodiles but Animal Rights Activites starting complaining that the Crocodiles couldn't get rid of the smell or taste

It's the great whites at Point Lookout, North Stradi ya gota watch out for !

[bigZ]

I was born and live on the Wirral in the North of England, but work in Liverpool.

My limited personal experience of working with 5 Polish and 1 Iraqi has been a very posistive one. I have found them all keen to embrace the English language and to assimulate. I do agree with bomber in regard to the tax exemption. But instead I would like to see these guys become citizens(I don't think is going to happen as they are extremely patriotic(something very much missing in Britain) and are only hear while Poland is transforming its economy. Their positive disposition and work ethic makes them pleasure to work with.

Unfortunately the profession(woodworking) I work in normally attracts the ill educated parts of the population(bloody illiterate). I would say that approx 25% of white British youth is a waste of space(I have had no experience of working with British Ethnic individuals so cannot comment). Even the Poles agree how crap are immigration policy is, and raise concerns about the influx of eastern europe gangsters targeting soft Britain.

I too am very concerned about where this country is going. Here are some of my concerns.

Abolishion of personal freedom and the increase of the 'Big Brother Society'

End of Free Banking.

Child gun crime

Local government too bloody PC. eg 70,000 seat mosque being given the go ahead for muslim fanatics(majority of local moderate muslims complaining about this one)

Proderstant church reverting back to Catholicism

The introduction of Shari'a Law and a 2 seperate law system(look at the state of the Philippines)

Obestity(we are now the fatest country in Europe)

The enviroment.

Education or lack of it

Privatisation and lack off leadership in the NHS

I am not a liberal tree hugger. But I do care for this country and feel that we have a lot to be proud of. Are democratic laws and heritage aresomething to be proud of and not something to piss on. Its good to see some passion from fellow countrymen(even if am not in total agreement) as the vast majority of people I mix don't give a ****. Patriotism is not about hanging a flag on your house every 4 years.

As for Civil War happening in the UK. Can't see it, as you really have to **** on the populace before things get nasty. Even then we still retain the stiff upper lip and take it on the chin. Old boy.

Personally am voting with my feet and moving to NZ.

Balkans thats the place it will kick off(again).

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Delusional

It's too bad that we don't have any members who are part of a European minority. Perhaps they would see where I am coming from.

What are you talking about. We all are very close to being the minorities here because of the lame ass immigration laws over here. Germany is about to become another state of Turkey and I am sure that England is about to become another Islamic state (or whatever other people, pD and others can fill me in on this if it is not Arabic Islamic people) if we dont do something.

We are becomeing the minority...

Originally Posted by Delusional

By the way, Adler,
My professor is only 25, so she left England only six years ago, if you can even say that she ever left, since she still spends more than a quarter of every year there. Also, the author of my textbook is British. So many of you assume things so easily...

Well she obviously is not very in tune with what is going on in Europe then. Leans very well to the liberals who are ruining these beautiful countries.

I dont care who wrote the book. More than likely only about a quarter of it is truth in regards to what is really going on, or it was written when things were better.

[Emac44]

Well gentlemen I have finished with this Delusional Person. She hasn't qualified any remarks. In my opinion has only stated one source via her professor. She claims to have read other sources yet she isn't forth coming about those sources. She claims I have attacked her and putting words into her mouth and not only that used emotional rhetoric in those attacks. She also claims that I speak to her as if I know her. I have presented evidence from said EU organisation of the reports on British Migrations and relating information on Anti Discrimination in UK and the reports linked to pdf files on websites listed in a previous post. She has complained I changed my basis of this forum to begin talking about US Migration History etc. I used that as an example only to show her. Her own country has serious problems with migration. She claims she only does Politics as a side line from her major studies and she is yet to reply to the links I have posted in a previous posting. Overall. I believe she has no real idea about immigration policies of her own country let alone that of the UK or the EU. The sources I would say she is using would be part media and some books she has been recommended to study. Possibley by her Professor. If that is all she has done and once again I have to summize this is what I believe she has done. I suspect she has no real clue and goes of half cocked on emotional based areas because they are entertaining in the classroom and appeals to her skewed sense of justice that is being moulded by her professors and some media reports and also books that some how support her ideology thats been recommended to her to read. My dear young lady. As has already been suggested to you, not just by me but by others in this debate. You need to further educate yourself. One sure way to do that is to travel to the UK or EU and find out for your bloody self. You have made yourself appear a fool on more than one occassion. If this hurts your feelings than thats a pity. You have argued with residents of countries who are effected by this immigration problems and yet you still do not know or you choose to ignore and put it down as rambling racists comments, because it doesn't jell with what your professor tells you or what media or text book you are reading. I hate to imagine what your major is my dear girl because you have certainly made a botch up of politics in a debate forum

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by bomber

It's the great whites at Point Lookout, North Stradi ya gota watch out for !

Nothing wrong with Twin White Pointers at Stradi mate.

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by bigZ

Proderstant church reverting back to Catholicism

Why is this a bad thing? We're taking trying to take your country back. Wait several more decades and you very well may seen Catholic majority in N. Ireland!!!

Originally Posted by bigZ

The introduction of Shari'a Law and a 2 seperate law system(look at the state of the Philippines)

Is this true? What's going on with the Brits? This is the kind of insanity I'm afraid of taking root in our country.

Originally Posted by bigZ

Privatisation and lack off leadership in the NHS

Serious question - why is there a fear to care for yourself and procure your own health insurance? Why rely upon gov't sponsored healthcare? Do you feel a gov't run system will be better for YOU than if you procured health insurance yourself?

I couldn't be any happier with the health coverage/care that I receive under our private system. My son was just born at a hospital we chose, had an EXCELLENT neonatal ICU - which he ended up needing care in. Cost me nothing out of my pocket. I'd be very concerned about keeping these high standards in a gov't run system. I do, however, acknowledge the plight of those without healthcare. What to do about that is another issue.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

mkloby you recieve your health insurance and care from the Government. You are in the Military right?

In the Army it was called Tricare.