Can the EU keep peace in Europe

mkloby · 02-24-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

mkloby you recieve your health insurance and care from the Government. You are in the Military right?

In the Army it was called Tricare.

I was somewhat unclear. I was speaking of "universal" healthcare.

Yup, all active duty have access to Tricare. The Government gives health benefits to workers, not just military, just like many private companies provide healthcare benefits. Some civil service have access to different types, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield, but military do not have that option. It's just Tricare, which is contracted out to the private companies that manage the North, South, and West regions.

But the point is, the US Govt offers these health care benefits to their WORKERS. You procure your health insurance, in this case Tricare, through your job, not universal healthcare to all citizens (does Britain extend health benefits to immigrants that are not citizens?).

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-24-2007, 10:53 AM

Well I can not speak for England but in Germany if you are a worker (does not have to be a government worker) you recieve health care. You do not have to be part of the Government Health Care system and can choose to go to private insurance. Once you choose Private Insurance you have to stay private. You can not go back to the Government Health Care system.

Me and my wife are private insured over here.

Now having said that. The Government health care system is not too bad either over here. The German doctors are first rate doctors (for now that is, many are leaving Germany to work in other countries with the main ones they leave for are Norway, Switzerland, France followed by the US).

I know the majority of the soldiers over here request Tricare to send them to German doctors because the US Army doctors suck. I had one one time who could not find a simple problem with me and I went to see 3 other doctors. I finally recieved a referral to a German doctor who found out what my problem was in 5 minutes, set up my surgary appointment for 2 days later (it was not life threatening) and the problem was resolved. The US Army doctors spent 2 months and could not find the problem.

timshatz · 02-24-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

The US Army doctors spent 2 months and could not find the problem.

Like my momma said to me when I was a young boy, "Not all doctors graduated first in their class".

Smart move going out on your own Adler.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-24-2007, 11:04 AM

I just came to the conlusion that the majority of the docs on our military post could not get jobs in the civilian world because there grades were too low.

We had one who told us in Iraq he hoped someone caught Malaria because he had never treated someone with Malaria and would like the experience.

I called him Dr. Evil and walked off.

mkloby · 02-24-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Well I can not speak for England but in Germany if you are a worker (does not have to be a government worker) you recieve health care. You do not have to be part of the Government Health Care system and can choose to go to private insurance. Once you choose Private Insurance you have to stay private. You can not go back to the Government Health Care system.

Me and my wife are private insured over here.

Now having said that. The Government health care system is not too bad either over here. The German doctors are first rate doctors (for now that is, many are leaving Germany to work in other countries with the main ones they leave for are Norway, Switzerland, France followed by the US).

I know the majority of the soldiers over here request Tricare to send them to German doctors because the US Army doctors suck. I had one one time who could not find a simple problem with me and I went to see 3 other doctors. I finally recieved a referral to a German doctor who found out what my problem was in 5 minutes, set up my surgary appointment for 2 days later (it was not life threatening) and the problem was resolved. The US Army doctors spent 2 months and could not find the problem.

This was discussed in a post a while back, can't remember which. I read an article back then about the problems facing the German medical industry. A chief problem was that German doctors were leaving because it was more lucrative to work in other countries. Another concern, from what I read, is the increasing aging of the German population, and the rising costs their healthcare program will face. They have a public debt about the same as the US in terms of percentage of GDP as the US. There is apparently a push to reduce the number of hospitals in Germany, and replace with more cost efficient diagnostic centers.

Of course, this is all just from articles; I don't live there.

I have had both good and poor experiences with military medicine. I had a broken leg misdiagnosed as tendonitis once...

We take my son to the naval hospital, and the doctor there is great. But, family practice is being coverted over to civilian doctors at military installations.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-25-2007, 05:25 AM

You are right mkloby. German doctors are leaving. They can go to other countries where they recieve more pay and also get more time with there families.

I dont blame them for leaving. The 3 places they are leaving for the most are Norway, Switzlerland and the US, according to a show on this that I saw the other day.

mkloby · 02-25-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

You are right mkloby. German doctors are leaving. They can go to other countries where they recieve more pay and also get more time with there families.

I dont blame them for leaving. The 3 places they are leaving for the most are Norway, Switzlerland and the US, according to a show on this that I saw the other day.

The neonatologist that took care of my boy right after his birth was a German doctor. She was a great doctor. I owe her endless gratitude.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-25-2007, 12:30 PM

2 of my Uncles are doctors. Once left Germany years ago before the problems happened. He is the director of a Hospital in Texas now and the other one runs a hospital here in Germany. He says it is to late for him to leave now.

plan_D · 02-28-2007, 06:58 AM

Many of the British doctors are leaving; more and more of our doctors get their medical degrees in the back streets of Islamabad. I had one attempt to send me home with a hole in the back of my head that was half an inch wide and about an inch deep. He told me that he would heal up; you could see inside my ear canal ! I refused to leave and my consultant; who has been my consultant since I was aged 5 - verbally shattered this quack and ordered me into surgery straight away.

The NHS is a good system; actually was a good system when the British population had a strong work ethic. The idea of only workers receiving healthcare did not matter because all Britons worked - and we worked hard. So, it was a good effective system where everyone paid and everyone received. I see no harm in that at all; especially since the National Insurance paid for healthcare and state pension.

The problem now is the fact that all those in Britain do not work. We have the white wasters, the Muslim fanatics and a lot of Eastern Europeans who think its great to live off my tax and National Insurance. The NHS has catered for people who do not even live in this country - they've taken people from Iraq and spent thousands on helping them recover. But when I need to see the doctor because I feel like I'm dying; and may well be; it takes three or four days for an appointment.

I find that a lot of Polish immigrants do work hard in Britain; but certainly not all of them. And a lot seem to think its acceptable to go around fighting everything in sight; the Eastern Europeans as a whole (especially those from Kosovo) cause a lot problems in South Yorkshire. Especially in the drug cases and rapes!

The Africans; well they all live amongst themselves and gladly cause trouble for anyone that comes near them. Drug use and dealing is high amongst them in South Yorkshire. And out of the 8 that work in my place; only two actually work. One of which is a devout Christian and a decent bloke; while the other has my respect because he ordered the other Africans to speak English while in the presence of the English. His own words; "How dare you speak native in this country; you should be thankful for these people allowing you to live here. Speak English !" And now they all do; barely - but at least they try!

We have two Muslims from Pakistan in my work place; a very strong work ethic. And nice people; although they are both female and it's probably bred in them to work hard. But on a whole Muslims are the greatest trouble in South Yorkshire at the moment; drugs, violent crime, rape - all sorts. And they have the greatest race card of all.

Chinese immigrants work hard; mostly running Chinese takeaways which are too nice. And they mix with us; the native British population.

And then there's the white British chav scum which cause hell for every decent person and should all be hung. I'm not even nearly sympathetic towards any chav in any situation. They all think they're so cool and hang around in stupid little gangs they call "crews" and just need lining up and shooting. If I saw one on fire I wouldn't even p*ss on 'em to put 'em out. We should just use these things as target practice.

But that's not it; you see the chav culture stems from the Muslims here. So you have plenty of Muslim chavs who act just like chavs but then pull the race card when you're smashing their face in for trying to mug you.

Out of the 76 000 in Doncaster; I say I hate about 70 000 of 'em. It's a scum hole; as is Hull, Manchester, Dundee, London, Birmingham, Bradford...and well; practically every British place that has more than 20 people living in it.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-28-2007, 09:28 AM

I agree with what you are saying. The German system is not bad. The German Med Schools are great and the German doctors for the most part are great but the hospitals would rather get a doctor from wherever else who will work more hours for less pay and the German doctors leave to go places where they get better hours and more pay.

Emac44 · 03-04-2007, 12:24 AM

Plan that only re-inforces what I have already heard from Brit Expats living here in Australia. And yes mate we too have had our little bits of gems coming out pulling the race card when they are getting their nuts driven up their cavity. For example remember that bullshit that occured in Cronulla in NSW. All these white Aussies were racists protesting in the streets of Cronulla. But it did had a catalyst a firing point. Lebanese Muslims were going about at large threatening people on Cronulla Beach. saying it was their turf. They beat up on a few Cronulla life savers a few days previously harrassed beach goers and trying assault women on the beach etc. You might say real hard boys in their own minds. Well after they assaulted the Life savers who are all volunteers quiet a few Aussies had had enough of this bullshit and decided to take things into their own hands. Hence the so called riot that wasn't a riot. So when it calmed down for the White Lads they all went home. Still 4 days later the Muslims Lads were doing a rip through Cronulla. Needless to say they avoided Cronulla when the White lads were having a toe to toe a day earlier which you would have seen on TV etc. Course the PC crowd said we were all racists for supporting in any fashion the White Lads getting upset. Really the PC crowd needed to come and smell reality. Let them live in Dulwich Hill or the Western Suburbs of Sydney and put up with the **** holes and arseholes crawling out of those suburbs of Sydney claiming to be devout Muslims

As for medicare. So far it hasn't been overtaken by immigrants as yet to a degree it becomes bludge central but that doesn't mean some don't milk it for all its worth regardless of whom.

But we are still getting Illegals trying to make it here. Last group was Sri Lankans trying to arrive by boat via Indonesia etc. As for the Chinese Community or any Asain Community most here have worked their arses off which i admire Plan and they make a go off it. Wish I could say the same of the South Sea Islanders. Fijians are a strange mob but the Tongans are purely ****** in the head along with Somoans real coconut kickers mate. Adults are fine but their kids are violent to a degree. Maoris mostly but again there are some real turds amongst them and they go about trying to emulate Negro Gang Life Style from the USA like Crips and Bloods. Going about with one trouser leg rolled up with strange handshake rituals scarfs and attitudes to the sublime to the ridiculous. Had a run in with one of these fruit cakes a few weeks ago. Putting it at large. Just ignored the idiot for what he was. wasn't worth my time kicking his arse about. As for the Aborigines they are fair they hate every one equally. Whites Other Blacks Races Asians etc etc. Just the poor old tax payer getting lumped by this scum we have to pay for. Do I hate no can't say I do. Do I get pissed off by the scum no matter who. Yes mate I do

Milos Sijacki · 03-07-2007, 12:51 PM

Hello, I just want to know your personal opinions about Kosovo crisis. Personally I don't support its 100% independence because it is, after all, Serbian territory and has been since medieval times.

Emac44 · 03-08-2007, 01:53 AM

well Milos if you read the threads and postings more carefuly about what is keeping the peace in Europe. What you have just posted my Serbian friend is exactly what others are thinking about all of Europe and how peace is maintained not just in the Balkans. What do I think about Kosvo. Likely to still get bloody, likely to explode in another civil war. Hope I am wrong but I feel it will be a flashpoint for another European War not just in Kosvo but all over Europe

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-08-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Milos Sijacki

Hello, I just want to know your personal opinions about Kosovo crisis. Personally I don't support its 100% independence because it is, after all, Serbian territory and has been since medieval times.

The problem with Kosovo is this. The whole region is inhabited by too many cultures. These cultures do not get along. I have never seen so much hatred in one place than what I saw in the 10 months that I lived in Kosovo.

I dont see Kosovo as a region of Serbia and I agree with Kosovos indepedence because if you actually look at history Kosovo belonged to other nations long before it Serbia even existed.

It was first settled by Illyrians who were the ancient Albanians in the 6th century. It was soon thereafter in 850 AD ruled by Bulgaria. Serbia took Kosovo from the Bulgarian under the rule Stefan Nemanja in 1180 and then completly under the rule of Stefan Prvovenčani in 1216.

Kosovo has allways been a battlefield and fought after between the Serbs and the Albanians since the First Battle of Kosovo on June 28, 1389.

Kosovo is the powder keg of Europe. Hell it is where WW1 officially started. The people of htis region will never get along and the only way for peace to happen there is for Kosovo to gain its independence from Serbia for the area to be controlled by the EU for a longer period of time until they can learn to live peacefully together.

I was sicked by the hatred in this region. When I have to take 9mm pistol away from a kid barely old eneogh to ride a bike because he wants to kill Albanians because his father says they are evil, it has gone to far.

The people of this region are mad! I am sorry to see this as well because I think the region is extremely beautiful. I visited the former Yugoslavia on several occasions before the split of the nation. When I returned to Kosovo for the KFOR mission it was terrible what the poeple have done to each other.

The mass graves made me cry. I am not blaiming Serbia for this because both sides: Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians are guilty of this genocide but both sides need to accept responsiblity for the worst genocide in Europe since WW2.

Milos Sijacki · 03-08-2007, 08:50 AM

I agree with you Adler, there must be an agreement between Serbian and Albanian nations but I'm afraid that this whole thing won't end well. I don't want to see my people suffer another war because of it. About that kid with a gun, that is normal down there I'm afraid. What pains me most is that Serbs are blamed for what happened down there but the truth is it was kept secret from public by the politicians of that time, I don't want to name them you know of whom I speak. When NATO bombed us we didn't even know why in the beginning, I remember, I was in the 7th grade Elementary back then, we were told to just stay home and do nothing. And one more thing, those who committed genocides were criminals and private armies of certain parties in my country, just like in Bosnia. They were all from prisons: murderers, etc and they call themselves TRUE Serbians, that is just horrible.