 | Changing Jihad| Politics Discuss Changing Jihad in the Current forums; I thought this was an interesting article by a Sunni reporter. Bit of a different perspective.
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01-14-2007, 09:31 PM
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#1 | | Junior Member
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Country: | Changing Jihad I thought this was an interesting article by a Sunni reporter. Bit of a different perspective. 'The jihad now is against the Shias, not the Americans' | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited 'The jihad now is against the Shias, not the Americans'
Rami was explaining how the insurgency had changed since the first heady days after the US invasion. "I used to attack the Americans when that was the jihad. Now there is no jihad. Go around and see in Adhamiya [the notorious Sunni insurgent area] - all the commanders are sitting sipping coffee; it's only the young kids that are fighting now, and they are not fighting Americans any more, they are just killing Shia. There are kids carrying two guns each and they roam the streets looking for their prey. They will kill for anything, for a gun, for a car and all can be dressed up as jihad."
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01-14-2007, 09:41 PM
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Country: | Those ethnic rivalries are old and run deep. But don't expect them to be hugging Americans anytime soon. Jihad is a convenient state for some of them anyway. They would declare jihad if you ran over their dog, or dinged their car door.
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01-15-2007, 01:42 AM
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#3 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The main target in Iraq has and allways be Americans. That is why more than 2800 have been killed since I was there.
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01-15-2007, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet The main target in Iraq has and allways be Americans. That is why more than 2800 have been killed since I was there. | The media over here has done a great job at dramatising the events underfolding over there, 2800 lives is 2800 more than it should have been, but how does one think 20,000,000 Russian families coped at the end of 1945? |
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01-15-2007, 06:50 AM
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Country: | What an interesting report Yak |
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01-15-2007, 12:08 PM
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#6 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by YakFlyer The media over here has done a great job at dramatising the events underfolding over there, 2800 lives is 2800 more than it should have been, but how does one think 20,000,000 Russian families coped at the end of 1945? | I dont think that the 2 can be compared.
I do agree though that the media has made it seem worse, but not the carnage. The carnage and death is worse than what is shown on the news. What the media has blown out of proportion is the "so called" bad things that the US military is doing over there. They never show the good things and that is too bad because we have done more good than we have done bad.
I say this because I spent 14 months in that **** hole. Everytime something bad happened that was all you saw on the news for a week, but when we did something good it was not shown on TV for more than 5 minutes if at all.
As I have said before for the media "Bad news is good news" especially for the Communist News Network.
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01-15-2007, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I dont think that the 2 can be compared.
I do agree though that the media has made it seem worse, but not the carnage. The carnage and death is worse than what is shown on the news. What the media has blown out of proportion is the "so called" bad things that the US military is doing over there. They never show the good things and that is too bad because we have done more good than we have done bad.
I say this because I spent 14 months in that **** hole. Everytime something bad happened that was all you saw on the news for a week, but when we did something good it was not shown on TV for more than 5 minutes if at all.
As I have said before for the media "Bad news is good news" especially for the Communist News Network. | I haven't been deployed yet, but several of the flight instructors have said exactly that. Cobra pilots would go out on a mission - wouldn't even drop steel, and they'd see on the news that they caused civilian collateral damage. Said that what you see on the news often bears little relation to what actually takes place. I take a Maj in the USMC and an Army SSgt over the politicized BS that you see on the news.
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01-17-2007, 12:07 PM
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#8 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The world does not have a real clue of what is going on because the Media has skewed it all.
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01-17-2007, 02:24 PM
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Country: | Old saying with the Media you can print volumes about what is not said or reported by the Media. See it every day with newspapers i buy. headlines will say 25 Iraqis killed in baghdad due to US forces being in Iraq etc. further back in the paper you will find out real reason in a block of type no bigger than the width of a cigarette paper or what Allied troops had have success with dealing with the Iraqi people themselves etc. i pay no heed to current media hypoboyle and bullshit but the comments at work i hear daily about Iraq and the war like all those are completely authoritive. when asked where they get their information from they immediatley reply oh i saw it on tv or read it in the newspaper. I got further on to ask can you expand on your thorough knowledge about problems in Iraq and who is actually doing the killing. usually its a blank stare or they get annoyed saying to me i know nothing. which confirms in my mind most people know very little outside their own front yard etc and rely on media etc. not saying i know everything either but i do take time to look and study the current problems and expand to realize its just not Iraq which is just one part of the overall picture its places like Philippines Thailand Sudan Ethiopia Afghanistan and even in our own cities and places we would never expect terrorists attacks London Bali New York Jordan and Mardrid plus cities in India
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