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11-14-2005, 07:47 PM
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#46 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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11-14-2005, 08:22 PM
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#47 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | I'd had the understanding that while the more recent Chinese copies of Russian weaponry were far from the most advanced, they were still of overall better quality than the Russian originals, particularly where fighter aircraft were concerned. Is that just a load of bull? | |
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11-14-2005, 08:33 PM
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#48 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | I think that goes 50/50... Some of the Soviet designs didnt have structural fails like the ChiCom stuff... I read an article, ummm, 8 months ago, that was relating that alot of Chinese Military items were being recieved into units defective to one degree or another....
Supposedly, shhhhhh, there were a few executions at one point....
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11-14-2005, 09:10 PM
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#49 | | "Shooter"
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus Supposedly, shhhhhh, there were a few executions at one point.... |  Not the Chinese?! 
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11-14-2005, 09:40 PM
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#50 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | From an Asia Time Article, Nov., 2000
The inferior quality of China's arms is highlighted by the experience of two important (former?) export customers. During the 1980s Thailand contracted to buy Chinese warships and army equipment, including tanks. The Thai navy began a rapid expansion with the purchase of six Chinese-built frigates. Thailand wanted to buy only the hulls from China, and equip the ships with Western weapons and electronics. China insisted on providing complete warships, offered a good price, and delayed its own warship programs to prioritize the Thai order. Thailand agreed, but was soon disillusioned with its choice. The workmanship was so poor the ships had to be overhauled as soon as they arrived in Thailand. The diesel engines proved so unreliable that Thailand has had to confine the ships to coast guard duties. Thailand insisted that the final pair be delivered as empty hulls, which were fitted in Thailand with GE gas turbines, German diesels, and weapons and electronic equipment from the US, as originally planned. The Thai army was similarly disappointed with Chinese Type-69 tanks and 130mm artillery. The 130mm gun barrels wore out too quickly. The tanks' inferior diesel engines belched black smoke, rendering them too conspicuous on the move. They are now in storage. Thailand now prefers to buy surplus US Army M60 tanks rather than newly manufactured Chinese models. Myanmar (Burma) has had a similar experience. After the army violently crushed the pro-democracy movement there in 1988, China was one of Myanmar's few foreign friends. From 1990 China sold Myanmar over $1 billion worth of warships, planes, tanks, and other weapons. Now, however, Myanmar is trying to diversify its sources of military hardware. The Burmese are complaining about the poor quality of the Chinese equipment, as well as problems with maintenance and spare parts."[11] Other major Chinese arms customers, such as Pakistan and Iran, now prefer to buy most of their weapons from more sophisticated producers: France and Russia, respectively.
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11-14-2005, 09:45 PM
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#51 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Well I guess that answers that question. It's crap. | |
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11-14-2005, 09:56 PM
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#52 | | Minister of Whoopass
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11-15-2005, 12:22 AM
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#53 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | hehe yep, big steaming piles of it, NS.
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11-15-2005, 12:40 AM
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#54 | | Senior Member
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| And this is the country that plans an invasion of taiwan?
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11-15-2005, 12:46 AM
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#55 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Well, I know that at least a few years ago, it was as ill-conceived as Seelowe, but obviously, missile technology is around today. From what I have heard, there are a boatload of missiles pointing at Taiwan right now. I know that is not the same as invasion, but it certainly could create "shock and awe" in a big way.
I would think the Chinese have to know that in order to do this, they would need to make it quick and decisive, before anone would have a chance to react.
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11-15-2005, 12:51 AM
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| Sounds like unless they upgrade their navy amphib and air force transports, they might as well as have "the million man swim"
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11-15-2005, 01:14 AM
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#57 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Or in their case, the billion man swim! 
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11-15-2005, 03:01 AM
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#58 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | That was going to be my point. The Chinese would take a real long time to fight mainly because of there strenght in numbers.
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11-15-2005, 05:33 AM
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#59 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | The same sort of horde mentality that the Russians have always had. It can have an effect though. Millions (or billions) to the slaughter perhaps, but seemingly endless hordes of troops could be a definite problem. The Chinese would have to be made to want to sue for peace fairly quickly. | |
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11-15-2005, 07:16 AM
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#60 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Yep. And if India is going to jump into the fray, we better hope they are on our side. They are the second most populated country. They are going to surpass China within the next decade.
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