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10-31-2006, 11:03 AM
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10-31-2006, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  Ill sell tickets. |  Quote:
Originally Posted by mkloby The Irish pubs in NYC are a good time, even more so when you're Irish and Catholic. | I'm not Irish but was raised Catholic - I know what you mean -
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10-31-2006, 12:07 PM
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Country:  | Speaking of Irish Pubs (way off topic here I know  ) Im going to the holloween party at the local Irish Pup here. Gonna be fun.
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10-31-2006, 12:34 PM
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10-31-2006, 01:00 PM
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Country: | Knock a few back for me Adler - i'm going to be loading and weighing the cars for the dity move tonight...
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10-31-2006, 01:53 PM
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Just to round that one off, of course, the British Army of today isn't as good as it used to be...
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10-31-2006, 03:32 PM
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Country: | this is true, pre-WWI there would be absolutely no argument over who had the best trained troops, to some extent pre-WWII too, it's tactics where jerry had us totally beat...........
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10-31-2006, 04:27 PM
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Country: | There are many that believed the french had the mightiest army prior to WWII... besides - the experts are often wrong! I wouldn't say the germans had you beat in tactics - the british mounted several successful campaigns even early on in the war - their performance in N Africa against the Italians outnumbered by what was it - 10 to one or so? was incredible. Not to mention the BoB, Dunkirk, Malta...
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10-31-2006, 05:09 PM
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Country: | To me, one of the biggest tragedies of WW2 occurred right after the declaration of war by the Allies. Because of French incompetence and indecisiveness a great French military action called "Sitzkrieg" occurred. Had the French attacked Germany immediately along her frontier (it didn't even have to be a sustained invasion) it would of thrown the German juggernaut off balance in Poland and maybe provided enough time for Britain to attain a better footing on the continent. I think if both Britain and France had an opportunity to coordinate their forces they might of been able to subdue Germany and WW2 might of been very short (on paper, 1939 France and England should of been able to easily defeat Germany). Instead, the French, the great military men and thinkers that they are relied on the Maginot Line and just continued being French. 60 days seem so short. 
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10-31-2006, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks *** this is true, pre-WWI there would be absolutely no argument over who had the best trained troops, to some extent pre-WWII too, it's tactics where jerry had us totally beat........... | no the troops weren't better you just had a crappy General Staff
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10-31-2006, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ To me, one of the biggest tragedies of WW2 occurred right after the declaration of war by the Allies. Because of French incompetence and indecisiveness a great French military action called "Sitzkrieg" occurred. Had the French attacked Germany immediately along her frontier (it didn't even have to be a sustained invasion) it would of thrown the German juggernaut off balance in Poland and maybe provided enough time for Britain to attain a better footing on the continent. I think if both Britain and France had an opportunity to coordinate their forces they might of been able to subdue Germany and WW2 might of been very short (on paper, 1939 France and England should of been able to easily defeat Germany). Instead, the French, the great military men and thinkers that they are relied on the Maginot Line and just continued being French. 60 days seem so short. | Flyboy I agree with you wholeheartedly. Part of my fam is polish - they took particular offense to the Sitzkrieg. Germany had a sprinkling of troops on the western border - the French would have smashed right through it - particularly if they unleashed their cavalry tanks in a coordinated assault... the krauts wouldn't have been able to recover w/o pulling back many divs from the polish campaign. That, too, may have been enough to convince the ruskis to call off their invasion of poland. Unfortunately - nobody seems to care much about the rape of poland in WW2. Even worse is the fate that befell them at the conclusion of the war - the soviet advance suddenly halting at the outskirts of warsaw to allow the Germans to put it down - thereby removing many polish "dissidents" that would likely oppose the soviet takeover of Poland...
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11-01-2006, 04:21 AM
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Country: | Flyboy J, you are entirely correct. That is an argument I use to show to my (brainwashed, French) students how fast, hard military action at the right time can actually SAVE lives, rather than cost them. How many million people would have lived if Britain and France had had the courage to do the job in late 1939 or early 1940?
Of course, the rest of the world would have slagged us off unmercifully for being warmongers, etc.
During the sitzkrieg, the British were regularly taken to task by the French supreme command, for overflying German territory, and being generally provocative. The French were frightened, and wanted to stay sitting quailing in their funk-holes along the Maginot Line. How that was supposed to win the War, I do not altogether understand. I suppose, from the French point of view, you win if you are not defeated!
There are parallels to be drawn today, too.
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11-01-2006, 05:00 AM
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Country: | The British are very-very arrogant, Chris. We don't deny it, or at least I don't. I have to make one last point on the ability of deploying anywhere with a force in a short time - the British military had the RAF, Royal Navy and Army ready and on it's way to the Falklands in three days, and it had Carriers on the way.
The French army was the largest in Europe before World War II, the British military was the most advanced (being completely motorised). Before World War I (and during World War I), the British had the largest professional army. It relied on an expertly trained but small military, almost always have done. In the Great War situation this wasn't enough, but it gave the Germans several bloody noses (we did in the Blitzkrieg through France as well...)
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11-01-2006, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D The British are very-very arrogant, Chris. | I'm not arrogant. I leave that to the foreigners. All I do is tell the truth.
And in order to send that lot off to the Falklands, they stripped us of our transport, our (soon-to-be-attached) choppers, A/T weapons, and even such things as our newly received consignment of new SLRs, GPMGs, ammo and grenades. In short, we would have been unable to do anything much more than throw stones.
They never learn, do they?
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11-01-2006, 05:44 AM
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Country: | My dad had his SLR...maybe it was just you they stripped everything off. Standing nude in Southampton were yah?
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