Commonwealth Nations Native Population Problems

[Emac44]

The Forum being put forward is that of how Commonwealth Nations dealt with Native Population issues and problems under British Colonial Rule. And how the ongoing problems are still being dealt with. This can include the Former South African Aparthied system of Government or the Australian Government treatment of Australian Aborigines past and present. Or how the New Zealanders have their treaty with Maoris in New Zealand etc etc. Be very interesting to see how other think about Colonial Rule in each Commonwealth Country but US citizens feel free to comment

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Emac44

The Forum being put forward is that of how Commonwealth Nations dealt with Native Population issues and problems under British Colonial Rule. And how the ongoing problems are still being dealt with. This can include the Former South African Aparthied system of Government or the Australian Government treatment of Australian Aborigines past and present. Or how the New Zealanders have their treaty with Maoris in New Zealand etc etc. Be very interesting to see how other think about Colonial Rule in each Commonwealth Country but US citizens feel free to comment

This will be fun for the Canadian Native my wish is that they quit whining get a job and start contributing

[Nonskimmer]

Now you're just talkin' sense. Shame on you.

[Emac44]

I put this forum up for Henk so he has an area to vent his feelings my Canadian friends

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Emac44

I put this forum up for Henk so he has an area to vent his feelings my Canadian friends

vent away Henk

[102first_hussars]

I dont love Indians and I dont hate them, but i dont know whats wrong with them, im talking about there behaviour and how they live there lives its ****** up, Enok an indian reserve just outside of Edmonton, so you would think it would be easy for them to learn the city life of everyday people, because their close, but it doesnt work that way, and i cant get my mind around it

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Tundra Wookies (I know that is wrong to call them that, excuse me) in Alaska for the most part dont do anything either. My buddy cant stand it. They sit around on couches they put on the side of the street and drink all day and collect from the government.

[Emac44]

maybe 102 its similar to Australian Aborigines. We have 3 types of Aborigines here. 1 Those raised in the Outback enviroment more traditional hunter gather society etc. 2 Then there is the what we call the Mission Black and the problamatic areas associated with them include drug alcohol and substance abuse like glue paint and petrol sniffers amongst the younger ones from 10 to 15 years of age etc. Couple that with the older Aborigines with alcoholism and drugs etc with wife and child physical abuse in all its nasty forms plus a loss of culture and self identity with spiralling crime you can imagine the problems in some Aboriginal communities that reside on Missions Stations. 3rd Group is what is known as City Blacks mostly they are half caste with a mixture of white and black anti social behaviours with all the above problems as the Aborigines living on Mission Stations. The City Blacks are somewhat more belligerent than their Mission Cousins but all the same social and anti social behaviour is apparent but mixed with a some what half educated ideas and ready availabe to them social welfare offices and legal aid paid by the Federal Government Offices dealing with legal avenues for these people. There are vast problems facing the Aboriginal communities in Australia and most of it can stem from lack of self identity as far as I can see. lack of self worth and direction in themselves is another scar and festering wound for the communities involved but mostly it is purely down to social behaviours that do not fit into mainstream communities like alcoholism and drug and substance abuse and crime related back into the Aboriginal communities. Are the problems due to the White man coming here. Yes in some ways they are. Was it because of British Colonalism forcing onto a Primative Hunter Gatherer Society into the 19th and 20th Centuries in Australia something totally foriegn that devastated the Primative Society and had an impact on the society which was here when the White Man first arrived and consquently took over the place. Well it did impact on the society that was here when the White Man came here. 200 years later and we see the results of it. However in that 200 years Australians have tried to readdress the problems caused. We are not always successful and in fact there has been dismal failures but I suppose it is similar in other Commonwealth Countries with a native population disaffected in those Countries where the British Colonials come to. One has to look at North America to see the results not just in Canada but also in the US from what I can gather those same problems are concurrent as they are here in Australia and New Zealand. How do we repair it? God knows because I do not know except by dialogue and communication with the Native Communities

[102first_hussars]

My friend Nathan Whitford, is actually a Navajo from n.dakota, but he went through the foster program as a kid and found his way here in Canada, and the way the reperations work here in canada is, if youre native and you turn 18, you get a cheque for 100 grand, Nate used this money to buy a condo and he invested it in RRSP's and secured his future basically, very smart move on his part, but most natives piss the check away and find themselve drinking lyscol (no im not joking) on the streets of Millwoods downtown edmonton...............so my question is where does there stupidity and laziness come from, its not a natural trait.

[Emac44]

102 I have no idea. the only thing i could think of is lost identity. sounds pretty pathetic but similar symptoms occured in Scotland with local Clansmen and women after the clearances between 1760 to 1800. Alcoholism was rife and dispondency was at all time high. I suppose when one feels useless to society the depths people sink to can be pretty tragic. I am not a social worker or anything like that and i am presuming only. But I know one thing throwing money at it like you have stated isn't the answer for some. others use their brains like your friend had done and i congratulate him on wise moves and decissions. others like those who piss the money away shows that not all can solve their problems with cash. makes it worse me thinks

[Henk]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

vent away Henk

, no I have been busy at work for a while and my old e-mail address gave in, thank you Yahoo.

The stuff you guys say about the native poeple like the indians are the same here. The blacks are not hard working people, they love it if they get food, get a house for free, get free power and water, get money from the government and just be crimminals and drink like fish.

They wald down the streets of nabourhoods killing old people, rape the woman and kill what ever comes in their way if the are busy with a criminal act.

Some start at a very young age as street children that run away from home and then become bigger criminals as they get older. This one guy in Cape Town once shot one of them while he was buys breacking into his car. They stupid people who said shame the poor street shild that was shot, but you never know what they have on them to do you in with.

The politics have changed so much in the former African commenwealth countries that it is sometimes hair raising and in some sittuations it turned out great. I do not know about you guys in Australia or Canada or even New Zealand how the political sittutations changed over the years.

[Emac44]

Henk similar things. where substance abuse is rampart. Substance Abuse is sniffing glue petrol or paint and even paint thinners and any where doesn't matter if its on a street corner or even on public transport. Drunkness on some if not all Aboriginal Mission Stations is a enduring problem. Where such as as what is known as a bushman's champagne cocktail is consumed. It comprises of Alkzer mixed with Metholated Spirits or cheap red or white wine caskets are bought and drank like water in one sitting. Most camps have a dry canteen policy but the alcohol is still smuggled in by various means or another. Such fine attributes are accredited to these people like rapes bashings violence of all types upon other family memebers or other members of the communities involved. Incestrial rape has been occuring as well and severe cases of child molestation has occured and documented by various Govt Departments. Just a few weeks ago in North Queensland an incident came to light of an Aboriginal man raping a child of less than 16 months old from his own family. Now here is the catch 22 situation. If the White Man and his justice and legal areas here in any part of Australia brings in the Law to deal with these situations it is referred to as Whitey interferring in Aboriginal Affairs. And yet laws are being broken that should be covering all people regardless of race and gender etc. You would think that would occur but it doesn't. We have at the moment in Queensland where a Queensland Police Officer is being charged with man slaughter over an incident that occurred 2 years ago in North Queensland where an Aboriginal man died in police custody. we have had consquent riots in the Place called Palm Island of the coast from Townsville far North Queensland. A Senior Sgt Chris Hurley has been accused of manslaughter over this incident and the fall out from this incident from 2 years ago is up and down like a bloody yoyo. And the Media is just about wetting itself over it. They the Media are mostly the ones crying for justice. But justice for whom and what. The Department of Criminal Proscutions here in Queensland examined the case and said there was lack of evidence to convict Hurly of any crime and dropped the charges. Prior to that a Royal Commission found Hurley Guilty of Criminal Neglect etc. But the when Crown Office said no to any charges the Media jumped though hoops and demanded an independant inquiry from a former Crown Court Judge. Who for political sake decided yes Hurley was indeed to be charged for manslaughter and the Aboriginal Community near went into rapture etc saying justice has been served. Mean while the Queensland State Govt who buckled like wet newspaper and went into damage control now has a problem with the Queensland Police Union of Officers. the QPU is now also calling for justice as to them a member of their Union Namely Senior Sgt Hurley is being denied justice and has been unfairly accused of manlaughter and there is insufficient evidence to charge said police officer. The Police Union even demonstrated in the streets of Brisbane calling the Premier of Queensland Mr Peter Beattie to account for the overall **** up of the whole episode. The Police Union even charged the State Government of Queensland visa Mr Peter Beattie as ignoring that Police Officers are being denied basic justice and such things in police stations of video survalience in cells and questioning cells and watch houses etc
in Queensland and also inspiring to reduce overall police confidence by police officers in general in Queensland. so what did our brilliant Premier do and the Queensland Govt. It went into damage control and denied everything the Police Union brought against the Government and using tax payers money launched a campaign through the bloody Media and is using a series of tax payer funded adverts to deny everything and everything is rosey in the State of Queensland and our Police are the best in Australia and well catered for. One major problem no one is believing it as we have seen this State Government do the same with our hospital and health system. Deny everything turn a blind eye and hope it goes away. And if you have a scapgoat like Sgt Hurley even better. Now we have a Police Force not trusting the Government. An Aboriginal Community that still is seeking justice or a kangaroo court depending on your political stance. A media who can't make up its mind what justice is and an overall community that is sitting back wondering what the **** will happen next. And still the problems are occuring on a daily basis

[Gnomey]

What Henk says is true. The Black populace can be hard working and not go to a life of crime. It is only in the last decade or so that this change has happened to a more criminal life style. My little brothers friend (an exchange student from South Africa who lives in Jo'burg) had two families that they knew all shot during robberies of their homes and they live in what could be called a prison (high walls, security fences etc) and don't walk anywhere in case they are mugged/killed. Now that the poor get hand outs from the government that they can survive on they see no reason to work and get more cash/job to sustain them when the government will give them the money and they can drink/do drugs/sleep/do crime etc all day long...

[Emac44]

I know Gnomey. have spoken to many ex pat South Africans and Rhodesians. Don't call them anything else as you will get into a punch up real quick. And same things I have heard are occuring in Port Moresby in PNG as what is happening in South Africa. Now here is another problem Fiji has just recently had its 4th coup. This is their 4th one in 20 years. In Solomon Islands and in Bouganville in the past 15 years has been violence and a near civil war occured. In Bouganville civil war broke out to a degree that Australian Federal Police and Australian Military with New Zealand Military had to go and restore law and order and peacekeeping duties. Papua New Guinea outside Port Moresby is no go zone for any one as tribal warfare still occurs. Up in Wau PNG the local White community has armed guards 15ft high walls and barbed wired enclosures around homes and even at the bloody golf course. And armed gangs of local PNG Natives roam around with machetes and relic old guns. Not a safe enviroment whatsoever. So Gnomey what Henk and you have said doesn't surprise me one bit. And as yet we haven't even spoken about Robert Mugabe

[Henk]

Sory guys I really want to answer you guys I just do not have the time, but I will. I am now busy trying to get a flat, work and money stuff to sort out and the court case I am starting against my former boss for my money. Will come back to you guys.