Creation Science-- oppose or not?

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by freebird

No nut-case here I hope!

I think if we are debating the "politics" of it rather than religeous beliefs, it should be OK. {for now? }

One thing to remember, Darwin's theory does not prove or disprove the idea of a creator or of "intelligent design". There are some school districts that have fired teachers for even suggesting the possibility of "Intelligent Design". This is clearly wrong.

I would say that it would be correct to teach that the majority of scientists agree that 'Evolution" is the most logical explanation, but that there is also a theory of "Intelligent Design' that some people believe.

science is the meal of mind. religion is the meal of soul.

im roman catholic. i know my church made and still making mistakes, like charge the use of condoms or the stem cells research. but the church is part of my culture, since brazil is a latin country and all our popular parties are made in christian holydays, part of my life, since im from a traditional catholic family and also, part of my being, because i believe in god and i believe in jesus christ.

im a great darwin admirer, i love to read about quantum phisycs, astrophisycs, biology... every knowloge is wonderfull, because its like open a new window. and it dont affect my belief in god, jesus and the bible. i understand the bible in my way.

[Njaco]

This is a real touchy subject. Careful.

[JugBR]

i know, and i respect diferent opinions since respect mine.

[evangilder]

As long as it stays civil, this thread can stay. If it gets out of hand, it will get locked up and moved to the archive.

[Airfix]

Talking about God.
Wich one?

ABASSI: Nigerian Creator God and Lord of the Sky.
On the suggestion of his wife ATAI, ABASSI invented the first humans and somewhat nervously introduced them into the wild.
As he feared, the first couple quickly discovered sex, and pretty soon were doing their own creating. This created a terrible over-population problem, and made ABASSI feel rather insecure. So ATAI gave humanity two gifts, Argument and Death, to keep the numbers under control.
ABASSI : The deity from African Mythology

Or
Odin and his brothers then used Ymir's body to create the universe. This universe comprises of nine worlds.
Norse Creation

Or
>>We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.<<
Open Letter To Kansas School Board at Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

There are countless stories how the world and humankind came into being.
The same arguments used by the creationists can be used by every religion.
First decide who is right, then discuss creationism...

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Maestro

In this case they would have to teach every other religious "theories" like what they believe in the Church of Scientology or the gang of weirdos following Rael's thoughts.

No. I think there is no God. You wanna know what happened ? Two words : Big-Bang.

Could the Big-bang not have been cause by a "creator"?

Also do not all of the world's major religions agree? {i.e. The world was made by a "Creator" or supreme being}

I don't mean some cult with 50 members.

IIRC all of the major churches, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim etc all belive in the creator.


For the schools to assert that there is NO divine involvement in creation is wrong, as it cannot be proved.

That's why I think that they should simply say while most scientists believe in Evolution, that many people belive in some form of "Intelligent design".

Simply the facts, does not purport that "I. D." is right or wrong, only that many believe in it.

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by freebird

Could the Big-bang not have been cause by a "creator"?

Also do not all of the world's major religions agree? {i.e. The world was made by a "Creator" or supreme being}

I don't mean some cult with 50 members.

IIRC all of the major churches, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim etc all belive in the creator.


For the schools to assert that there is NO divine involvement in creation is wrong, as it cannot be proved.

That's why I think that they should simply say while most scientists believe in Evolution, that many people belive in some form of "Intelligent design".

Simply the facts, does not purport that "I. D." is right or wrong, only that many believe in it.

agreed

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by evangilder

As long as it stays civil, this thread can stay. If it gets out of hand, it will get locked up and moved to the archive.

why "civil" ? miss that one...

it cant be militarized ?

[magnocain]

IIRC all of the major churches, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim etc all belive in the creator.

Since the Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish teachings are pretty much the same, I believe we will be discussing that theory.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by magnocain

Since the Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish teachings are pretty much the same, I believe we will be discussing that theory.

Toss in Islamic to that mix . To the Jewish guys the Saviour is not yet here , the Christians latched onto Jesus as the saviour whom the Islamics also consider a prophet and the Islamics adopted Mohhamed later as there saviour .

[magnocain]

Toss in Islamic to that mix . To the Jewish guys the Saviour is not yet here , the Christians latched onto Jesus as the savior whom the Islamics also consider a prophet and the Islamics adopted Mohamed later as there savior .

I know all about that, but I am not sure of the Muslim belief because it is so corrupted from the Bible.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by magnocain

I know all about that, but I am not sure of the Muslim belief because it is so corrupted from the Bible.

Jeez every one of them is corrupted from the Bible there are umpteen versions of Hebrews , Christians and Muslims . I have my own religion "do unto others"
thats its only commandment

[freebird]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Toss in Islamic to that mix . To the Jewish guys the Saviour is not yet here , the Christians latched onto Jesus as the saviour whom the Islamics also consider a prophet and the Islamics adopted Mohhamed later as there saviour .

Originally Posted by magnocain

I know all about that, but I am not sure of the Muslim belief because it is so corrupted from the Bible.

Islam accepts the old testament, so ergo they also believe that there is a creator, who created life & the earth.


The problem I have is this: Many schools will not even allow children to be told that there is a theory of "intelligent design", because they believe it is not true.

This sets up a situation where a small child is basically told that "your parents church is just a superstitious belief".

Whether or not you believe in Evolution, you cannot disagree with the statement "most scientists support it".

In the same way even athiests couldn't reasonably argue that there is not a sizable {perhaps even majority} of people who belive in a "Divine Creator"" or "Intelligent design"

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by freebird

No nut-case here I hope!

I think if we are debating the "politics" of it rather than religeous beliefs, it should be OK. {for now? }


I would say that it would be correct to teach that the majority of scientists agree that 'Evolution" is the most logical explanation, but that there is also a theory of "Intelligent Design' that some people believe.

I would definitely think that would be the way to go since that is the truth. All students should be taught that there is more than one school of thought on the subject.

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by evangilder

As long as it stays civil, this thread can stay. If it gets out of hand, it will get locked up and moved to the archive.

Thank you.