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Old 08-28-2007, 09:58 PM   #31
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The difference is that NO is below sea level and surrounded by dikes (san francisco is surrounded by dykes too but a different kind.
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:06 AM   #32
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Glider, you're addressing a part of the problem that is for the most part fixed or being bumbled in state/ federal government ramblings. Even if what you say happens, the people there have got to want this. Read a crime blotter on New Orleans on a Friday or Saturday night. Even after "god's wrath" you would think that some of the folks would mend their ways and try to see to it that their environment is made better - they don't.

My brother-in-law is Creole. A good portion of his family left Louisiana for the reasons previously sited. The place is an armpit. The few times I had to drive through there was enough to convince me that part of the country is almost 3rd world and its the population to blame for much of their woes...
I don't disagree with you. The questions was what needs to be done to secure the City.
The civil problems are every bit as real as you state. I haven't been there but Ken had to have a police escort on one of his visits and backs up what you say. However they existed before the damage, its just escalated as the situation has developed and pars of the infrastructure has collapsed.
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I don't disagree with you. The questions was what needs to be done to secure the City.
The civil problems are every bit as real as you state. I haven't been there but Ken had to have a police escort on one of his visits and backs up what you say. However they existed before the damage, its just escalated as the situation has developed and pars of the infrastructure has collapsed.
In 1996 I was there while in the reserves and went out with the Shore Patrol one night to pick up a few drunken sailors. I was diving in a white government van that got pelted with rocks every so often. Everywhere we went there was nothing but trash - and there was a lot of garbage in front of the houses too!
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Mardi Gras celebration is in February and lasts 2 weeks, Mardi Gras the day (fat tuesday) is only one day. My point is that there is plenty of good times outside of the Mardi Gras season... they party (used too) all year long.

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You are getting close to the reccomendations that have been given to all levels of government. You can do the following
a) decide the areas to be developed and those to be turned to wetland or used as a flood defence.
b) modify the levees and other defences according to the lessons learnt to protect the areas to be developed.
c) prepare the areas to be used as flood defences as you cannot just leave them.
d) ensure that key infrastructures are secure against flood
e) ensure that the port is safe and will continue to operate.

What gives the President the power to influence what happens is the port. If anything happened to that then the impact will be across a huge area including of course, all states that depend on the Port. Its much bigger than Louisiana.
Glider I think you make some good points - especially regarding the port's economic position. Unfortunately, all parties have turned this into a political issue and finger pointing rather than actually establish a viable plan for economic recovery. The recovery should likely be limited to protecting the port. As far as the city goes - what FBJ and others have said sum it up.

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Names of victims fill church's 'murder board'

Names of victims fill church's 'murder board' - CNN.com

. NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Father Bill Terry of St. Anna's Episcopal Church in New Orleans wants everyone to know what's happening in New Orleans: too many murders with too few people held accountable.
Murder

The "murder board" records the names of murder victims in New Orleans.


He keeps track of the slayings on what he calls the "murder board," a plastic board that hangs outside his church. He started listing murder victims earlier this year to humanize the headlines.

At first, the names were neatly typed by a printer. But as the killings continued at a rampant pace, he says, he resorted to adding victims' names by hand with permanent marker.

"Numbers are very easy to deal with emotionally. When it becomes a human being, then we start to personalize and it's harder to deal with. I want people to squirm. I want people to feel uncomfortable about the murders going on in the city," Father Bill told CNN.

In the first 28 days of this month alone, the city witnessed 26 killings, according to the New Orleans Police Department. So far in 2007, police say 136 people have been killed. That puts the city on pace for roughly 200 slayings this year. Photo See how the killings have affected New Orleans »

Last year, New Orleans had 161 murders, which translates into a murder rate of roughly 70 homicides per 100,000 people, the highest in the country, according to FBI crime statistics and population data. Gary, Indiana, was the next most deadly city, with 48 murders per 100,000 people.

By comparison, New York City's murder rate in 2006 was 7.3 per 100,000 people, according to FBI statistics.
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"You have these cities you assume to be violent, and New Orleans is two or three times worse," said Peter Scharf, director of the Center for Society, Law and Justice at the University of New Orleans.

Scharf said the widespread notion that Hurricane Katrina somehow caused the murder rate to spike in New Orleans is not the full story. "Before the hurricane, the murder rate was ascending. The wheels were coming off at that point," he said.

Like many cities across the United States, New Orleans' murder rate peaked in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It hit a low in 1999, but since then, the murder rate has more than doubled, according to Scharf.

Every week, Father Bill updates the "murder board": date, name, age, gender and manner of death. "Murder Victims, 2007," it says at the top, along with a quote from Psalm 46: "God is our hope and strength, a very present help in trouble." Video Watch as Father Bill writes another name on the board »

The church sits in a neighborhood called Treme on the edge of the French Quarter; it's a highly visible location that is heavily trafficked by pedestrians and cars. Father Bill said the board makes a strong impression on those who pass by it.

"There's a moment of silence; there's a sense of awe; there's almost an epiphany experience for most people that see it. They look at the 'murder board' and you can see crystallizing ... the realization that these are human beings and that we are literally in a holocaust, we are slaughtering human beings. It's very transforming," he said.

Father Bill hopes his message reaches the city's leaders, too. Every Monday, Father Bill has red roses delivered to Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Chief Warren Riley -- a single rose for each death that weekend.

"He sends those roses I guess as a reminder," Riley said. "Certainly I can appreciate him doing that, but I'm more aware of our crime problem than anyone in the city."
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Riley said he believes you can't police your way out of crime. The city's youth need to get out of the mindset that violence is the only way to solve a dispute, he said. Back in January, Nagin promised to make lowering the murder rate a top priority. In the face of ongoing violence, Nagin told CNN recently he is doing all he can.

"Everything is being done, from more resources, more dollars, more manpower, more police officers. We've got the federal government involved," he said.

Despite these efforts, violence in New Orleans shows no sign of slowing down. Scharf, the criminologist, believes city leaders should shoulder some blame for not stopping violent crimes.

"It's the capacity of the police and the district attorney and the courts. They are not in the mainstream of their professions. Even worse, they don't work together. They pee on each other's legs," he said.

Although the city has witnessed hundreds of murders over the two years since Katrina, the district attorney's office has won just three murder convictions since January of 2006. This is partly because murder convictions in New Orleans take two years on average, according to the DA's office.

"I am not going to take the blame for all the sins of the criminal justice system," District Attorney Eddie Jordan told CNN last month. "Certainly we have our shortcomings, but we're working on our shortcomings."

Before Father Bill became a minister, he worked in the insurance industry. But 10 years ago, he suffered an unbearable loss that forced him to take stock of his life. His 18-year-old daughter, Tonya, committed suicide. She had been diagnosed bipolar but was not taking medication. A neighbor called to tell him Tonya had shot herself.

"Because of the loss of my daughter, there is an affinity for loss, especially for younger people. As a parent, I grieve with parents who lost their children," he says.

One unanticipated outcome of the "murder board" is that Father Bill now finds himself counseling the parents of those who've been killed. One mother, he says, called him to thank him for remembering her son. She told him she thought nobody cared.
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"This was a particularly humbling experience," he says. "For someone to trust you enough to say you remembered my son is daunting at the very least. ... It's by the grace of God that we just have conversation."

Father Bill doesn't have any faith the killing will end anytime soon. He is already making plans to hang another "murder board" next year.
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but a big 20 foot high concrete fence tipped with razon wire around new Orlenes and when theye finished with each other use the fence to stop futher flooding.....
Or maybe thats too far....
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I just wonder where all the millions of dollars that were "allocated" for
hurricane relief actually went to ? Somebody or corporations got rich.

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I do belive all that money is going to Bush's war
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Geographically/topographically - New Orleans is built BELOW
sea level....Has been since its founding and there are two real
answers: 1) Fill it in and start over or 2) Build a huge dyke around it.
I know that neither of these are gonna be followed, but why put
more money and time into just patching the holes....
I see a lot of Cajuns and such still in Texas. I have live in Lafayette
and understand the effects of the weather on the area. But a
problem I see is that landlords who used to rent/lease tenaments
to poor people before Katrina can now rebuild and rent/lease to
a more upscale clientelle, and those who were just renting have no place
to return. And people who built in the 100yr flood plain have now
been hit by a flood/hurricane induced flood and are shocked when
insurance doesn't cover....Happens all the time, for most people don't
understand the term 100yr flood plain...
Anyway back to the real question: Name three things that New Orleans has
that you can't get somewhere else? I dare ya!
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I do belive all that money is going to Bush's war
How? What are your sources? Do u believe the Government opened fake charities? Tapped into the Red Cross? Thats quite a conspiracy.

Even if it's a random opinion you must have some sort of theory...

Do u believe that if it wasn't for the U.S., England would have lost the Falklands/Malvinas War?
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but a big 20 foot high concrete fence tipped with razon wire around new Orlenes and when theye finished with each other use the fence to stop futher flooding.....
Or maybe thats too far....
Not far enough, the surge was 24ft
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Kilroy was there. He knows.
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ah ..im new here and i dont want to seem alarmist but it appears the sea level is riseing ...are we going to build a fifty foot sea wall arround big easy ? even if we spent the entire gnp of the usa , sooner or later the saints are gonna come marchin in and katrina will appear as a fart in a typhoon by compareisin ...if the corps built the levies twice as high and 3 times as strong it would still amout to a very temperary bandaid ...
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