The Fall of the United States

Husky · 12-18-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I've been hearing that since 1969 - I think we have many yesrs in front of us...

Me too...as I indicated.

But lately I see some trends I'm not all too fond of; mostly errosion of the character and will by a whole host of factors.

mkloby · 12-18-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I've been hearing that since 1969 - I think we have many yesrs in front of us...

We keep hearing it because many people both within and outside of the US salivate at the thought of the US collapsing. Ain't happening anytime soon. Not on our watch.

P38 Pilot · 12-21-2006, 08:03 PM

Thats the truth.

timshatz · 12-22-2006, 03:03 PM

Watch the currency. Devaluation of the currency has never been good for a country. Ours has lost about 35% against the Euro in the last 4 years. That and the trade imbalance are problems. Both interconnected.

stonewall23 · 12-23-2006, 04:43 PM

The only things that could destroy America ,in my opinion ,would come from within. Drugs abuse and those people like Mcvay ( the guy who bombed the the a.t.f building in oklahoma ) .Despite a lot of peoples dislike of them, it is in all our intrests that America survives.

Delusional · 12-23-2006, 06:28 PM

Drug abuse? Hahahaha ... People like McVay? Hahahaha ...
Not trying to be rude, but those are the most ridiculous hypotheses I've ever heard in my life.

stonewall23 · 12-23-2006, 07:15 PM

Pray tell , Why ! Drug abuse has had a terrible effect on societys , Destroying the bases of society ,Familly. Domestic terrorists are no laughing matter. We,in Ireland , have seen what can happen when these dangers are allowed to get out of control.I don't see the funny side of either.When any society looses its moral compass it can loose its way very easily.Apthy is also very dangerous.

mkloby · 12-23-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stonewall23

Pray tell , Why ! Drug abuse has had a terrible effect on societys , Destroying the bases of society ,Familly. Domestic terrorists are no laughing matter. We,in Ireland , have seen what can happen when these dangers are allowed to get out of control.I don't see the funny side of either.When any society looses its moral compass it can loose its way very easily.Apthy is also very dangerous.

While I don't think that drug use itself will cause America's downfall... I do agree that America's biggest threat may indeed come from within. America cannot even form a coordinated response to reduce terror threats, ie NSA wiretap, racial profiling, can't hold captured terrorists in gitmo, can't use coercive interrogation, they must be afforded protection under US Constitution and Geneva Convention - they are NOT covered by Geneva! There's an extremely liberal, secular-progressive (yeah I coined o'reilly) media that got the motor redlined attempting to force change that Americans don't want - all crafted up defending civil rights of the minority, while tossing the majority's rights by the wayside. There's the ACLU, which makes me want to vomit on a regular basis. Toss in a judiciary that is still exercising judicial review, now a full functioning and participating member of the federal gov't rather than the weakest branch as intended... they've proven themselves the "alternate route" to legislate law - except now you don't need an elected majority.

I'm going to stop here, lest this rant go on for 13 pages...

Delusional · 12-24-2006, 11:45 AM

The fact that you're using the same terms as O'Reilly uses, mkloby, makes me want to laugh and puke at the same time ... a very dangerous combination. Allowing minority rights is part of the U.S. Constitution and does not necessarily lead to ignoring the rights of the majority. Since when was the judicial branch of the government intended to be the weakest? The system of checks and balances was implemented so that no branch would be more powerful or less powerful than any other.

stonewall, I don't even know how to respond to your conservative, fear of the loss of morality, fear of the loss of the family unit, blame drugs for all of society's problems attitude. I guess I just said all that I can ....

stonewall23 · 12-24-2006, 12:31 PM

Boy oh boy..... No one thing will destroy any society.Morality seems to be a dirty word now adays.People are the only one element to blame for societys ills.The familly is the basis for all societies , thats where most learn right from wrong." Old fashioned familly values "is a concept that is easy to laugh at but it is alway easy to blame someone else. Common sence is not that common,politically correct bullshit is no substitute for personal responcability and knowing right from wrong .As I say apthy is very dangerous.

FLYBOYJ · 12-24-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

Allowing minority rights is part of the U.S. Constitution and does not necessarily lead to ignoring the rights of the majority.

Tell that to the ACLU when they'll sue over a nativity scene in a public library but will refuse to take up a case against an Army vet denied VA benefits..

mkloby · 12-24-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

The fact that you're using the same terms as O'Reilly uses, mkloby, makes me want to laugh and puke at the same time ... a very dangerous combination. Allowing minority rights is part of the U.S. Constitution and does not necessarily lead to ignoring the rights of the majority. Since when was the judicial branch of the government intended to be the weakest? The system of checks and balances was implemented so that no branch would be more powerful or less powerful than any other.

Excuse me, Sir. I used a term that just sums a movement in the US. I could have listed items like open borders and immigration, multi-lateral foreign policy, separation of church and state, "gay" rights, and the drive to form a strong socialist entitlement state in the US. O'Reilly terms these together as a secular-progressive movement. By saying simply that, I'm sure members of the board knew exactly what I was referring to - I'm glad if Mr. O'Reilly makes you puke and laugh, I guess that's at least interesting to witness.

I've posted this in other threads - there is no power of judicial review in the US Constitution. By the powers granted within the document, you will logically conclude that the judiciary is the weakest branch.

All groups are protected under the US Constitution. However, this is abused under the notion of protecting "minorities rights" to absurd lengths. Think Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals - 'under God' ring a bell? That was done in protecting minority interests. Clearly the vast majority of US citizens are not offended by that phrase in the Pledge.

armypilot · 12-24-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

The fact that you're using the same terms as O'Reilly uses, mkloby, makes me want to laugh and puke at the same time ... a very dangerous combination. Allowing minority rights is part of the U.S. Constitution and does not necessarily lead to ignoring the rights of the majority. Since when was the judicial branch of the government intended to be the weakest? The system of checks and balances was implemented so that no branch would be more powerful or less powerful than any other.

stonewall, I don't even know how to respond to your conservative, fear of the loss of morality, fear of the loss of the family unit, blame drugs for all of society's problems attitude. I guess I just said all that I can ....

Sir,
MKLOBY and STONEWALL23 point out some very relevant points. You on the other hand appear to be of the opinion of those of the groups that they are both pointing out. It seems that your user name pretty much somes up your position.

Erich · 12-24-2006, 11:30 PM

mkloby covers the theme pretty well.

simply put when Americans don't give a rats behind about anything else or anyone and allow the government to control their hearts and souls ........... then goodbye

it's already happening ladies/gents so be WARRIORS AND WARRIORESS'S

Delusional · 12-25-2006, 11:56 AM

It's ironic that you list open borders and immigration, mkloby, when there is a conservative backlash against these issues much more than there is a liberal push. My uncle is currently stationed in Las Cruces, New Mexico for border patrol, a job he never thought he would be asked to serve as a GPS specialist in the U.S. Air Force. Separation of church and state is as old as our nation itself. And personally, considering that they are people as well and that the Constitution is supposed to protect and serve all of us, the gay rights movement has my full support.

armypilot, the only point that your post made was the original point of my choice in a screen name. Thanks for stating the obvious.