Fighting the battles - Loosing the real war

Lunatic · 07-19-2006, 10:34 AM

The "war" in Iraq and Afganistan and the recent conflict in Lebenon are really just distractions from the real war.

And that war is between the USA and China, but our leaders seem to stupid to see it.

The Chineese saw how the USA defeated the USSR - through economic warfare. Now they are attacking us and we are not even aware of it.

Right now our "economic recovery" the Neo-Conservatives are touting is entirely based upon Chineese investment. The Chineese purchase huge quantities of US securities which are used to provide the cheap credit we've become addicted to. In the meantime our government spends every cent and more of tax revenue generated by the boom created by this cheap credit and continues to run up unbeiveable levels of debt financing the war in Iraq and tax cuts for the rich.

When they are ready, the Chineese will make their move in
Asia, probably against Taiwan. If the USA stands against them in any way, they will back off and simply withdraw their financing. Credit will become scarce, the US ecomomy will enter a severe recession or even a depression, and Europe will get sucked into this as well. China will then begin an arms buildup, and the USA will not be able to afford to match it, finding itself in the same situation Reagan put the Soviets in leading to their demise.

China must be laughing at us. We seem not to even be able to learn our own lessons. We seem not to be able to look beyond the immeadiate future and allow ourselves to be distracted from the real war.

syscom3 · 07-19-2006, 10:50 AM

The Chinese have forgotten the old economic saying of "when I owe you 1 million dollars, I am in trouble, when I owe you 1 billion dollars, youre in trouble".

In the world of economics, things always get corrected. Sooner or later, their economy will slow down.

Plus even with their growth rates, theyre still a 3rd world economy highly dependant on foreign oil.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-20-2006, 12:17 AM

The only problem I see is this. With the current situation if China were to make there move, we would not have the forces to make a stand.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 07-20-2006, 03:33 AM

What you say is very true about China being a grave threat. The Communists still hate us.

Here is a Revalation from a Marian Apparition:

BEAR ATTACKING THE FALLEN EAGLE
Our Lady - "The eagle is plucked. He will not rise again."
Veronica saw in vision an eagle stretched out flat on his stomach, with his head hanging weakly to the side, struggling to get up. His feathers were all about him, plucked out. There were three creatures by him. Two of them were leaving his vanquished form. These two had the forms of a dragon and a lizard. The lizard had a most unusually long tongue. There was the other creature, the third, that looked like a bear, still beating on the fallen eagle. – July 15, 1970

I'm a Catholic so I suppose these revaluations from the Virgin Mary look like nuts but they are backed up by the Biblical verse of Revelation with stuff about the "Eagle", The United States, being plucked by the Communists, the "Bear" in WWIII.

And it sure looks like it is a possibility.

Here is the site I got it from.
#275 – THE EAGLE HAS BEEN PLUCKED

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-20-2006, 05:27 AM

Sorry but I can not believe that the bible was talking about the US and Russia or China or what not.

I guess if you really believe what the bible says, you can make it say whatever you want it to say.

R988 · 07-20-2006, 08:08 AM

OK, Militarily, the USA still has a shedload of nuclear weapons and a lots of chemical and biological weapons it can use. The USA also has a track record of using them and being more keen to use them than anyone else. People make the mistake of writing off the US because they only see it trying to fight limited battles while trying to 'play nice'. If it came down to a war of survival though the gloves come off and the US wont go down without taking everyone with them.

Economically, China's population is also ageing faster than the US thanks to China's one child policy, so their population has a large bubble of old people like most other western nations, except even worse. In fact the good ol' US is one of the very few western nations that actually maintains a birth rate equal to and even above replacement level. This will also affect economics in the future, China wont have it's cheap labour forever. The US also has lots of cheap labour in Mexico and Mexican immigrants, should it choose to use them.

China also relies mainly on foreign technology, sure they came up with paper and fireworks a very long time ago, but what have they invented lately? Squat. They just copy stuff from everyone else, not good, especially not in a war, whether economic or military because it means you're always a step behind. They have developed indigenous aircraft and equipment but they have still relied on Russia, Israel and stolen US stuff to copy.

Investment wise, the Chinese do invest a lot in the US, however US companies have also massively invested in China so it's a two way street. What you dont understand is that the Chinese economy is still very reliant on exports, mainly to the USA. So you see the Chinese HAVE to provide their cheap credit and pour money into the US, because then the US people have more money to spend on Chinese imports. If the US economy slumped into depression then Chinese goods would become too expensive or unneeded so people wouldn't buy them anymore. Then Chinas economy goes to hell in a handbasket because the US is it's biggest market by far and the worlds largest consumer market by a mile. When the US economy sneezes the world catches a cold.

Now assuming you're correct and the US government is using all that cheap Chinese credit to fund it's war machine, then that Chinese money is being spent on American military equipment, almost all of which is still made in the US, by US companies, and the salaries of US personnel. So all that money the Chinese cunningly giving away is actually mostly going to help the US build and maintain it's military machine and domestic economy. Those Chinese sure are masterminds at global manipulation aren't they, except they are dealing with the US who have been doing this sort of thing for longer than the PRC has existed as an entity.

The main economic worry is actually that the Chinese economy is growing too fast for infrastructure and development to keep up, they are desperately trying to slow it down to avoid the over inflation that will occur.

By the way, when it comes to economics it's best to read some proper respectable economic publications rather than some obscure conspiracy site written by a bearded conspiracy nut hiding under his bed from imaginery black helicopters circling his house.

evangilder · 07-20-2006, 08:20 AM

Excellent post R988. While the Chinese may have extended credit in a big way to the US, no doubt, they would also lose their biggest customer if the fit hit the shan. I know you are not a Bush fan, Lunatic, but that post reads like a Democratic talking points list, with a sprinkling of tin-foil hat wearing theories.

FLYBOYJ · 07-20-2006, 08:55 AM

The day you see the Chinese building a MODERN 800 ship navy hosting 20 MODERN aircraft carriers and 40 or 50 MODERN nuke carrying submarines, start worring. Until then this is all "pie in the sky."

P38 Pilot · 07-20-2006, 10:34 AM

I never have liked China...Freaking commies....

Hunter368 · 07-20-2006, 10:37 AM

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-20-2006, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R988

OK, Militarily, the USA still has a shedload of nuclear weapons and a lots of chemical and biological weapons it can use. The USA also has a track record of using them and being more keen to use them than anyone else.

Just one question here. How does the US have a track record of using them and are more keen to use them?

The US not dropped a nuke on an enemy since Japan 1945.

They have never threatened another country since Japan 1945 with a nuclear strike.

They have never used chemical weapons on anyone, and have never threatened anyone with them either.

That does not sound like a track record to me or being keen to use them.

Please list dates and places for this track record.

syscom3 · 07-20-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

I never have liked China...Freaking commies....

wtf type of comment is that?

You know anything of their history? You know any chinese citizens?

P38, once again, youve stuck your foot into your mouth.

syscom3 · 07-20-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Just one question here. How does the US have a track record of using them and are more keen to use them?

The US not dropped a nuke on an enemy since Japan 1945.

They have never threatened another country since Japan 1945 with a nuclear strike.

They have never used chemical weapons on anyone, and have never threatened anyone with them either.

That does not sound like a track record to me or being keen to use them.

Please list dates and places for this track record.

Exactly!

Erich · 07-20-2006, 01:20 PM

wha ? the Bible does not mention the USA at all, which means nothing, we may just side with Israel or are absorbed in the over all position to withstand hateful regimes such as the Muslim nations after they are united...............yes I know start throwing rocks at me. Magog is to the north of Jerusalem so we know who that means. It is not clear if the Soviets and Chinese merge with each other in the last days but it could happen or one takes over the other. In any case nothing is going to happen till there is all over war from one position to anther and then one will rise to bring a non lasting peace with his deceit and inner corruption, and I do not mean Jesus Christ either. so to say that the Chinese are the real threat, no they are just part of the picture that is starting to form ever so slowly

Ride hard !

evangilder · 07-20-2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P38 Pilot

I never have liked China...Freaking commies....

tsk tsk...

Do you know how many Chinese lives were lost for helping the American aviators involved in the Doolittle raid? How many built airstrips in China for the receiving end of the hump operations? You really should have a better sense of history before shooting your mouth off like that. One of my cousins was in the Doolittle raid (William Birch, crew 11) who owes his life to the brave Chinese people that helped him get back home.