First Presidential Debate at Ole Miss

[ccheese]

WASHINGTON — A pair of one-night polls gave Barack Obama a clear edge over John McCain in their first presidential debate.

Fifty-one percent said Obama, the Democrat, did a better job in Friday night’s faceoff while 38 percent preferred the Republican McCain, according to a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey of adults.

Obama was widely considered more intelligent, likable and in touch with peoples’ problems, and by modest margins was seen as the stronger leader and more sincere. Most said it was McCain who spent more time attacking his opponent.

About six in 10 said each did a better job than expected. Seven in 10 said each seemed capable of being president.

In a CBS News poll of people not committed to a candidate, 39 percent said Obama won the debate, 24 percent said McCain and 37 percent called it a tie. Twice as many said Obama understands their needs than said so about McCain.

Seventy-eight percent said McCain is prepared to be president, about the same proportion of uncommitted voters as said so before the debate. Sixty percent said Obama is ready — a lower score than McCain, but a solid 16-percentage-point improvement from before the debate.

In another Obama advantage in the CBS poll, far more said their image of him had improved as a result of the debate than said it had worsened. More also said their view of McCain had gotten better rather than worse, but by a modest margin.

The CNN poll involved telephone interviews with 524 adults who watched the debate and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. The CBS survey involved online interviews with 483 uncommitted voters who saw the debate and had an error margin of plus or minus 4 points. It was conducted by Knowledge Networks, which initially selected the respondents by telephone.

Both polls were conducted Friday night.

Polls conducted on one night can be less reliable than surveys conducted over several nights because they only include the views of people available that particular evening.

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Charles

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Who's election is this? The World or the United States?

I want to hear what the candidate is going to do for me, not what he is going to do for you!



What?



So only stupid dumb rednecks vote Republican? That is pretty low of you as well.

As I am not an American Citizen and don't have the right to vote in US Election etc. I still have a right to an opinion as an outsider. I agree Adler to use a narrow spectrum media based opinion on Republicans or Democrats misses the point on each party by generalizing them into a catergory and forgetting that it is only 10 main battle states the election hangs upon which are mostly in Mid USA and not on the Coastal Plain as some may expect or believe. I don't base my opinions on a 30 second news blurb on TV or a few columns of a newspaper but research the data on hand. For example I went and researched the Subprime Mortgage and found it had its origins with the Clinton Years and further into Redlining Districts Economically prior even to Carter. To say the very least this is George Bush's screw up is missing the fact that the SubPrime is the result of trying to adapt Socialize Marxist Idealism of equality into business and commerce. A sure fire remedy to failure. Some may ask why would I as an Australian be interested in such a Credit Crunch and Crisis in the USA? Well quiet frankly with Australian Banks and Banking Institutions investing in the USA and having to cover areas in US Financial areas it does effect Banking here in Australia and the Australian Banks and Financial Institutions pass on the cost to their customers and consumers here in Australia with higher Interest Rates beyond the Cash Flow Rate of the Reserve Bank of Australia that sets Mortgage Interest Rates and is trying to stem a higher inflation rate on the Aussie Dollar. In other words Adler I mix Politics with Business and I certainly do not catergorize Political Parties on a biased media twaddle by designating them on such a narrow bandwidth as some do

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by JugBR

... but dont you agree the redneck is the base of republican's electorate ?

^ A VERY dangerous stereotype... and one of the several reasons both Gore and Kerry lost to Bush. If Perot had not run when he did, Clinton too would have lost his election on those grounds. The Obama campaign itself has tried to avoid that stupidity, but on his Left and among the MSM talking head parasites it prevails nonetheless.

The myth has been propagated in America, and the world, since the time of Reconstruction (ca. 1865), mainly by black racists and their apologists, white-guilt trippers, and urban dwellers who seldom venture further west or east than the borders of states adjacent to those on the two coasts, and those of our closest northern and southern neighbors... if further than their own town limits.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by ccheese

WASHINGTON — A pair of one-night polls gave Barack Obama a clear edge over John McCain in their first presidential debate.

Fifty-one percent said Obama, the Democrat, did a better job in Friday night’s faceoff while 38 percent preferred the Republican McCain, according to a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey of adults.

Obama was widely considered more intelligent, likable and in touch with peoples’ problems, and by modest margins was seen as the stronger leader and more sincere. Most said it was McCain who spent more time attacking his opponent.

About six in 10 said each did a better job than expected. Seven in 10 said each seemed capable of being president.

In a CBS News poll of people not committed to a candidate, 39 percent said Obama won the debate, 24 percent said McCain and 37 percent called it a tie. Twice as many said Obama understands their needs than said so about McCain.

Seventy-eight percent said McCain is prepared to be president, about the same proportion of uncommitted voters as said so before the debate. Sixty percent said Obama is ready — a lower score than McCain, but a solid 16-percentage-point improvement from before the debate.

In another Obama advantage in the CBS poll, far more said their image of him had improved as a result of the debate than said it had worsened. More also said their view of McCain had gotten better rather than worse, but by a modest margin.

The CNN poll involved telephone interviews with 524 adults who watched the debate and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. The CBS survey involved online interviews with 483 uncommitted voters who saw the debate and had an error margin of plus or minus 4 points. It was conducted by Knowledge Networks, which initially selected the respondents by telephone.

Both polls were conducted Friday night.

Polls conducted on one night can be less reliable than surveys conducted over several nights because they only include the views of people available that particular evening.

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Charles

So what Charles that still doesn't equate to much and it certainly doesn't change my opinion on who won the debate. I go by experience not News Polls or having some media tell me how and what to think. McCain won the debate on experience and not by a conducted poll by CNN or CBS or MSNBC or even Fox Charles. Sorry mate but Polls mean absolutely nothing when it comes to engaging opinion on a specific data base alone. The only poll of relevence is the ELECTION DAY POLL when the ELECTION Actually takes place. But go right ahead and source some more NEWS POLLS Charles. My OPINION still stands and you have yet to address that issue. Why would I believe McCain won the debate Charles? Care to explain why I would say such a thing. And please do not insult me by saying I have preconceived ideas or beliefs. That my friend is shooting the messenger and not addressing the mantra. And if you want to go by POLLS fine Charles then explain a recent POLL conducted by Media that says 25% of Democrats wouldn't vote for a Black President. As I said Charles I go by experience not media based POLLS Telling me what to think on a debate or a political guage of such a narrow numbers of groupings on a particular day

[javlin]

I do not know if this has any bearing at all but I was contacted about 6:30PM last night for a poll by CNBC and asked if I like to participate,I said yes.The interviewer asked for my zip and he heard 35931(ready to proceed) not 39531 when I corrected him and it was keyed in,he laughed and said "sorry we can't use you".The 39531 zip is a heavily republican(maybe 53-55%) area,just odd I thought even then thinking "not going to like my answers?"

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by JugBR

i dont think rednecks are stupid or dumb btw. but dont you agree the redneck is the base of republican's electorate ?

WTF over. Where do you get off making comments and tossing around the word redneck?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by javlin

I do not know if this has any bearing at all but I was contacted about 6:30PM last night for a poll by CNBC and asked if I like to participate,I said yes.The interviewer asked for my zip and he heard 35931(ready to proceed) not 39531 when I corrected him and it was keyed in,he laughed and said "sorry we can't use you".The 39531 zip is a heavily republican(maybe 53-55%) area,just odd I thought even then thinking "not going to like my answers?"

I actually think there is a lot of that going on - In my state the polls are showing Obama a head by several points - it seems the pollsters have been focusing on only the larger cities and ignoring the eastern plains. They may have a rude surprise on election day!

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Emac44

So what Charles that still doesn't equate to much and it certainly doesn't change my opinion on who won the debate. I go by experience not News Polls or having some media tell me how and what to think. McCain won the debate on experience

So Charles great life experiences are not valid , he's been there and done that unlike yourself

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I actually think there is a lot of that going on - In my state the polls are showing Obama a head by several points - it seems the pollsters have been focusing on only the larger cities and ignoring the eastern plains. They may have a rude surprise on election day!

They probably have a quota in each Zip Code

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

They probably have a quota in each Zip Code

If that be the case the polls are grossly flawed!

[JugBR]

In modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of whites from the Southern United States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.

The redneck stereotype:
The term redneck is seen by some people to be both racist and classist, as it is was originally used to describe a person of pale skin that has been sunburned doing outdoor work or field work, and disproportionately applies to the poor. Today, a redneck is a stereotypical southern United States socially conservative, fiscally liberal, rural, working class white person with northern European ancestry.

The popular etymology says that the term derives from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled by late middle age. Another popular theory stems from the use of red bandanas tied around the neck to signify union affiliation during the violent clashes between United Mine Workers and owners between 1910 and 1920.

Some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, when indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.


A redneck is usually typified in popular culture by a straight male with a beer belly that consumes cheap American beer such as Busch or Miller by the case (Pabst Blue Ribbon in more traditional settings) as well as Jack Daniel's. They are generally distrustful or dislike anyone not like them or the government. The stereotypical redneck lives in a trailer, and drives an old, large, beat-up pickup truck with a gun rack in the rear window. He generally wears a stained, sleeveless t-shirt, blue jeans, and a trucker hat.

Their hair is generally worn in the mullet style, and they favor long sideburns. Personal hygiene is a lost concept with the stereotypical redneck, and what teeth they have left generally show the complete anthology of the stages of dental caries. Their favorite activities include hunting, shooting at road signs and lights, professional wrestling, NASCAR, monster truck rallies, car engine repair, collecting junked cars and large appliances on their lawns, having way too many children and dogs, participating in domestic disturbances, and waiting around for their welfare checks. Country and Southern Rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd figure in as their preferred genre of music.

Stereotypical redneck females have similar characteristics and interests on a feminine scale. They are most often seen barefoot, pregnant and wear Daisy Duke shorts with stiletto heels.
source:

Definition of a Redneck

one of 17 milion links with the word "redneck" you find in google.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by JugBR

In modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of whites from the Southern United States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.

The redneck stereotype:
The term redneck is seen by some people to be both racist and classist, as it is was originally used to describe a person of pale skin that has been sunburned doing outdoor work or field work, and disproportionately applies to the poor. Today, a redneck is a stereotypical southern United States socially conservative, fiscally liberal, rural, working class white person with northern European ancestry.

The popular etymology says that the term derives from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled by late middle age. Another popular theory stems from the use of red bandanas tied around the neck to signify union affiliation during the violent clashes between United Mine Workers and owners between 1910 and 1920.

Some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, when indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.


A redneck is usually typified in popular culture by a straight male with a beer belly that consumes cheap American beer such as Busch or Miller by the case (Pabst Blue Ribbon in more traditional settings) as well as Jack Daniel's. They are generally distrustful or dislike anyone not like them or the government. The stereotypical redneck lives in a trailer, and drives an old, large, beat-up pickup truck with a gun rack in the rear window. He generally wears a stained, sleeveless t-shirt, blue jeans, and a trucker hat.

Their hair is generally worn in the mullet style, and they favor long sideburns. Personal hygiene is a lost concept with the stereotypical redneck, and what teeth they have left generally show the complete anthology of the stages of dental caries. Their favorite activities include hunting, shooting at road signs and lights, professional wrestling, NASCAR, monster truck rallies, car engine repair, collecting junked cars and large appliances on their lawns, having way too many children and dogs, participating in domestic disturbances, and waiting around for their welfare checks. Country and Southern Rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd figure in as their preferred genre of music.

Stereotypical redneck females have similar characteristics and interests on a feminine scale. They are most often seen barefoot, pregnant and wear Daisy Duke shorts with stiletto heels.
source:

Definition of a Redneck

one of 17 milion links with the word "redneck" you find in google.

Your point????????

[pbfoot]

Geez I sure prefer Lynyrd Skynrd over Latin Music which we are very fortunate not have here

[mkloby]

Jug - So your in-depth knowledge and understanding of American culture comes from random googled sites... come on. Just like you have a sound understanding of American politics as well...

Go ahead and say those things around here to people face to face... about all you'll get is a good old country boy whoop a**

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

So Charles great life experiences are not valid , he's been there and done that unlike yourself

Pb did I say at any time that Charles Opinions were HorseFeathers or his opinions were not valid? I am sure I never said such a thing. And again Pb I based this on MY OPINION as far AS HOW I SAW THE DEBATE. NOT FROM SOME NEWS MEDIA SOURCE BUT HOW I SAW THE DEBATE BEING CONDUCTED. OK I WILL MAKE IT MORE CLEAR AS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT OPINIONS HAVE TO BE FERRIED PAST SOME MEDIA SOURCE AND I REFUSE TO DO SO. IN MY OPINION McCAIN WON THE DEBATE. NOW DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTACT MSNBC OR CBS OR FOX NEWS TO CONDUCT A POLL ON MY OWN OPINIONS AND POLITICAL STANCE. And Pb to answer your previous question I watched the same debate as you did. You called it a DRAW IN YOUR OPINION. I CALL IT A VICTORY FOR McCAIN. CHARLES ON THE OTHER HAND SAYS OBAMA WON. THIS IS THE PRECEPTION ON OPINIONS WE ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE. BUT REFERRING TO NEWS POLLS OR MEDIA HYPE, WELL EXCUSE ME BUT I DON'T NEED A MEDIA ORGANISATION TO TELL ME HOW AND WHAT TO THINK. AND I BELIEVE YOU MISSED THE WORDS "MY OPINIONS" I USED FREQUENTLY WHEN I BEGAN THIS THREAD. BUT I FORGOT OPINIONS ARE NOT TOLERATED BY SOME OR DISMISSED OFFHANDILY BECAUSE SOME HAVE DECIDED FOR A CHANGE IN THE USA REGARDLESSILY