First Presidential Debate at Ole Miss

[Emac44]

Ok now the dust has settled with the Presidential Debate Round 1. Of the 8 Major Talking Points. I would give it to John McCain 7 to 1 against Obama. This is my opinion. I also feel McCain held back on the Economic Crisis in my opinion as well. He seemed again in my opinion to with hold something on the Economy overall as per Wall Street Bail Out versus WorkOut. He was playing it well against his chest and keeping it in reserve to where it counts most. Again this is my opinion. As for Foriegn Affairs John McCain was totally scathing on Obama's lack of experience and it showed. Obama was outgunned in all aspects on Foriegn Affairs. Some say John McCain referred back to HISTORY to much. But any one with a scentilia of knowledge of Foriegn Affairs knows that you can not go forward on Foriegn Affairs if you do not learn from the lessons of the PAST and use those very HISTORICAL LESSONS in dealing with the PRESENT OR THE FUTURE.

As for McCain suspending his campaign and the debate to go back to Washington. McCain showed he puts the USA first and foremost as he did with the RNC and Hurricane Threats, unlike Obama who said call me if you need me. I would question Obama's Loyalty because of that reply.The question I would ask is this? Do you come first Mr Obama or does your COUNTRY COME FIRST? Or maybe it is me? I see it simple. I expect the Political Leader to place the COUNTRY FIRST above all else. Maybe it wasn't 8 MAJOR TALKING POINTS but 8 with 1 ACTION being stronger then words. McCain won the debate 2 days before the debate was conducted by REPORTING FOR DUTY IN WASHINGTON WHEN HE BELIEVED HIS COUNTRY NEEDED HIM. SUCH IS THE REASONING OF A MAN FROM THE MILITARY WHO HAS AMBITIONS TO BEING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And to serve his COUNTRY AGAIN BUT AS COMMANDER AND CHIEF if he is elected

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I did not watch the debate unfortunatly. I wanted to get up and watch it, but I missed it due to the time difference.

Based of what you say though, I agree.

It is funny though how people from different parts of the world view the debate. In Germany here they are talking about how Obama completely won the debate and smashed McCain. That is because the Germans do not care about the man. Obama is a Democrat and therefore automatically the greatest thing since sliced bread and butter. He will get all the attention and McCain will get little or no press. What press he gets will only be bad press.

I think that is the case in most places in the world. For that reason I pray that Obama loses, just to spite the world. Obama is not the Mesiah they all think he is.

[Bluehawk]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I did not watch the debate unfortunatly. I wanted to get up and watch it, but I missed it due to the time difference.

Based of what you say though, I agree.

It is funny though how people from different parts of the world view the debate. In Germany here they are talking about how Obama completely won the debate and smashed McCain. That is because the Germans do not care about the man. Obama is a Democrat and therefore automatically the greatest thing sich bread and butter. He will get all the attention and McCain will get little or no press. What press he gets will only be bad press.

I think that is the case in most places in the world. For that reason I pray that Obama loses, just to spite the world. Obama is no the Mesiah they all think he is.

Interesting and valuable observations, thanks. World view is something our media and politicians are not fond of us getting as much as we'd like to be seeing it regularly.

In America, probably since the 1980s (?), our electoral politics has been bifurcated in essentially equal 50/50 factions, dependably - no matter who the candidates or what the issues are at any given moment in time.

This is to say that either party could nominate Mother Teresa or Alfred E. Neuman and it wouldn't make much difference in the outcome. Democrats will vote Democrat, and Republicans will vote Republican, regardless. Once in awhile a Ross Perot or a Ralph Nader comes along to give the election to the mainstream party least deserving of a win on merits.

Obama's basic strength is his potential to neutralize the ferocious racist grip the Black Caucus has had on our short hairs for about 50 years.

McCain's basic strength is as an offset to how tragically wrong Obama is about the wars.

Economics-wise, there isn't a helluva lot either one of them could do to reverse the corporate juggernaught Americans are so burdened and benefitted by.

If Palin can defeat Biden in the debate, then McCain will probably win the election. If not, then Obama will have to mess up very badly to lose... which ain't likely.

McCain is at his best when he's angry.

[syscom3]

McCain chopped him up on multiple occasions.

I think the old adage about an experienced old fighter can beat an inexperienced young buck with cunning and guile was absolutely true.

Obama sounded like he was just memorizing talking points.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Obama sounded like he was just memorizing talking points.

I get that feeling everytime he opens his pie hole. It makes me rather sick.

He is just as bad as Bush when it comes to speaking, in that it seems like he is reading from a script. Don't take me wrong, whenever they all speak, they used prepared speaches but both Bush and Obama always seem like they are just reading word for word from the script. It drives me nuts, I ****ing hate it.

[B-17engineer]

I had to watch it for school were talking about it on Monday but Mccain seemed to be on offense for a good 35 minutes

[ccheese]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Ok now the dust has settled with the Presidential Debate Round 1. Of the 8 Major Talking Points. I would give it to John McCain 7 to 1 against Obama. This is my opinion.

Horsefeathers !!! McCain was on the defensive most of the debate. Every
time he'd make a statement with ump-teen million dollars, Obama would
correct him, with facts. Of course, when your mind is made up before
the debate, that will happen.

Charles

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by ccheese

Of course, when your mind is made up before
the debate, that will happen.

Charles

Sorry Charles but that statement is pretty low. Isn't every liberal's mind already made up about Obama before the debate?

[JugBR]

obama talks the things that most part the world agree, like dialogue, multi-polar world, partnerships.

mccain talks the things that the deeper usa likes to hear. the part of usa that dont knows the rest of the world and have a more nationalistic vision.

thats why the democrats states are the coastal and most populated and the republicas are most the small and redneck ones.

how about eisenhower versus the eggheads ? the mistrust over intellectuals ? obama is a guy from harvard... could be a advantage for mccain too.

[ccheese]

Originally Posted by Emac44

McCain won the debate 2 days before the debate was conducted by REPORTING FOR DUTY IN WASHINGTON WHEN HE BELIEVED HIS COUNTRY NEEDED HIM.

This is what I mean about making up one's mind before the dabate.

Charles

[syscom3]

Originally Posted by JugBR

obama talks the things that most part the world agree, like dialogue, multi-polar world, partnerships.

mccain talks the things that the deeper usa likes to hear. the part of usa that dont knows the rest of the world and have a more nationalistic vision.

thats why the democrats states are the coastal and most populated and the republicas are most the small and redneck ones.

You just keep believing that.

BTW, last time I looked, Texas is quite a big state thats on the coast.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by JugBR

obama talks the things that most part the world agree, like dialogue, multi-polar world, partnerships.

mccain talks the things that the deeper usa likes to hear. the part of usa that dont knows the rest of the world and have a more nationalistic vision.

Who's election is this? The World or the United States?

I want to hear what the candidate is going to do for me, not what he is going to do for you!

Originally Posted by JugBR

thats why the democrats states are the coastal and most populated and the republicas are most the small and redneck ones.

What?



So only stupid dumb rednecks vote Republican? That is pretty low of you as well.

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by ccheese

This is what I mean about making up one's mind before the dabate.

Charles

Charles this is where you and I will disagree. Your HorseFeather Statement was your own pre conceived ideas and closed mind. I call it as I see it. McCain had the clear advantage over Obama by years of experience in the Senate and dealing with Foriegn Affairs and not years at Harvard or 2 years as a Junior Senator who votes PRESENT or even a Community Organiser. I had recognised McCain went back to Washington to act responsible and suspend his campaign momentarily but Obama needed to self centre himself as the new age Messiah. And this again is my opinion. You can either agree or disagree Charles that is your right to do so. But it isn't HORSE FEATHERS to recognise that McCain had the clear advantage over Obama in the debate due to McCain's experience in debating and political knowledge that far outweighs Obama. Charles there is an old saying. You can't put a wise old head on younger shoulders. But I also know McCain has his shortcomings but again that outweighs Obama.s own inexperience by a country mile. Even to the extent that today I hear Republicans and Democrats are still trying to pass Legislation on Bail Out or Work Out. But why do the Democrats want to give money to ACORN Charles? I believe that there has been to many SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS who have already caused problems on Capitol Hill and Wall Street that effects diversily Main Street in the negative. Maybe I see it differently Charles from you or I see it more simplier than yourself. But my statements are not HORSE FEATHERS nor are my opinions

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Who's election is this? The World or the United States?

I want to hear what the candidate is going to do for me, not what he is going to do for you!

dont ask what you can do for your country.... lollll der adler kennedy ! are you a citzen of berlin too mr. ?

for me in specifc, usa dont need to do nothing, but for sure, the world's public opinion see obama as less threatening than mccain. but its not mccain, but what is attached with him in the collective subconscious.

So only stupid dumb rednecks vote Republican? That is pretty low of you as well.

i dont think rednecks are stupid or dumb btw. but dont you agree the redneck is the base of republican's electorate ?

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Emac44

But it isn't HORSE FEATHERS to recognise that McCain had the clear advantage over Obama in the debate due to McCain's experience in debating and political knowledge that far outweighs Obama. Charles there is an old saying. You can't put a wise old head on younger shoulders. But I also know McCain has his shortcomings but again that outweighs Obama.s own inexperience by a country mile.

What debate were you watching if anything I'd call it a draw with neither side drawing blood . I would however give Obama an edge in being more pertinent