Global Warming: The New Religion

[renrich]

Harvard, I tend to agree with most of your statements regarding this so called GW, it's causes and it's advocates. For the sake of argument, let us say that man is a major cause of GW. Does anyone believe that two of the most populous countries in the world and two of the largest contributers of CO2, China and India are going to throttle back their economies. And how come you don't see the Gore bunch clamoring for low polluting nuclear power plants to be built here.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

It seems I heard the same thing in the mid 80s when acid rain was the fad. It seems all the trees are still there on both sides of the border. I wonder what will be "in" 20 years from now - killer sunspots?!?

Lets see now there was , Acid Rain, Toxic Waste, Killer Bees , El Nino , DDT , Agent Orange , Thailidomide, Strontium 90, Asbestos , Polio , and the lakes are coming back to life and the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland hasn't caught fire in a while and I can eat fish out of the river . Some things we acted on

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I belive the "GW" is a natural occuring event in nature but we as man could be on a smaller percent be speeding it up.

What the answer is: I dont know.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Lets see now there was , Acid Rain, Toxic Waste, Killer Bees , El Nino , DDT , Agent Orange , Thailidomide, Strontium 90, Asbestos , Polio , and the lakes are coming back to life and the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland hasn't caught fire in a while and I can eat fish out of the river . Some things we acted on

And others just faded away as they no longer became popular news stories....

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

And others just faded away as they no longer became popular news stories....

and your right but this one has me concerned

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Harvard

Hey Guys:

Great discussion. Another thing worth mentioning here about the global warming crowd:

Many them are atheists. To them it's a religion, because the earth is their only home. To them there is no after life. As a result, they believe in the Great Mother, Earth.

Many of them are socialists, and there is no life liberty pursuit of hapiness or capitalism. To them it's all about the end of the world, pessimism, and hopelessness. So to them, the earth has to be dying, and becoming a burning ball of fire. The rich people are all to blame, and the big oil companies.

It's no coincidence that these kind of people promote GW, it is so obvious.

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

My wife just read this and laughed and called that the most stupid thing she has ever read.
She grew up in a Socialist Country and you obviously dont know what you are talking about..

I will not write the other things she said because I am not going to get into an arguement on this site.

I think you guys have to put this into perspective. Yes, half of Europe is socialist when compared to the US. Better social services, higher taxes, a lot of government control. In the US, less taxes, less control, more opportunity for those who want to get educated and work, misery for those who are disenchanted or flat out lazy. But pertaining to those who Harvard describes - they are the Liberal left in the US - those who are anti-big business because they fear conformance, work or taking a bath, and would burn your SUV in your driveway if given a chance (a guy was recently convicted here for doing such thing). That's why I would label them "socialists." Not in the sense of what we see in a great part of Europe, but more of a radical socialism perhaps sprinkled with a bit of Marxism (although these folks won't openly admit it). There are the folks you find in Boulder Co, San Francisco and Seattle who fit this mold. Call them a socialist and they'll become enraged, but if you look at their political agenda, that's what they are except they are a hell of a lot more radical than socialists seen in Europe....

And its these folks who, since the 1960s have totally infiltrated the democratic party.

[Gnomey]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I belive the "GW" is a natural occuring event in nature but we as man could be on a smaller percent be speeding it up.

What the answer is: I dont know.

This is what I believe too. I think we are just on a natural warming cycle (we have been warming for the last millennium or so - we are overdue another ice age). I think that in time the earth will return to normal (or there will be a cold snap when the Gulf Stream stops).

[renrich]

Flyboy, used to live in Crested Butte, reputedly the most liberal ski-town in the US. Of course I had many enemies there which wasn't helped by the fact I worked for the ski resort. Anyway I had occasion to go to Boulder often on business and also a girlfriend there and I always said that Boulder is a big Crested Butte. Well, try this one, Austin is a big Boulder. Same kind of people and same politics and of course the state university.

[Ajax]

Okay, let's ignore Gore, all the politicians and the minority scientists. I bet at least 90% of scientists are worried about global warming and don't agree with the statements on the video.

My thrift, Harvard, was that by the time we have found irrefutable evidence of GW, it may already have become an unstoppable force.

And please remember not all socialists are environmentalists and not all environmentalists are socialists. Also, we seem to be talking about Socialism as if it is evil and odd. But I live in an admittedly mildly socialistic Britain where we're not allowed guns or smoking in public places, and it's just fine.

[Negative Creep]

What annoys me about this country is that the government are just using it as an excuse to hike up taxes. Can somebody please explain how ramping up charges for high CO2 producing vehicles, which make up a tiny percentage of our road's traffic, will stop global warming? People will still drive these vehicles no matter what the road tax is, and I also fail to understand how this is all due to a single gas. Cows emit a far larger quantity of CO2 than cars, perhaps we should start taxing the farmers?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by renrich

Flyboy, used to live in Crested Butte, reputedly the most liberal ski-town in the US. Of course I had many enemies there which wasn't helped by the fact I worked for the ski resort. Anyway I had occasion to go to Boulder often on business and also a girlfriend there and I always said that Boulder is a big Crested Butte. Well, try this one, Austin is a big Boulder. Same kind of people and same politics and of course the state university.

Been to Austin, I know what you mean.

Haven't gotten up to Crested Butte since I been here, after hearing this will probably avoid the place....

BTW - I avoid Boulder Air Port as well - flew out of there one time since I been here. Had a free Husky demo ride, couldn't turn that down...

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Gnomey

This is what I believe too. I think we are just on a natural warming cycle (we have been warming for the last millennium or so - we are overdue another ice age). I think that in time the earth will return to normal (or there will be a cold snap when the Gulf Stream stops).

Yeah... I heard on TV (about a week or two ago) a scientist saying that North America would get warmer (to a point where there would be no snow) and that the UK would have to start using snowmobiles because of the high amount of snow they would receive every year.

[renrich]

Ajax, might be good for you in socialistic Britain and I have no problem with it. Would not work for me. My mantra is "root hog or die", "let the devil take the hindmost" and "they will have to take my guns from my cold,dead hands." Flyboy, Crested Butte is a beautiful place, particularly in the summer. Some good people live there but also a lot of old hippies and druggies, anti-everythings and the newspaper reads like Pravda.

[Harvard]

Neg.Creep wrote:

"What annoys me about this country is that the government are just using it as an excuse to hike up taxes. Can somebody please explain how ramping up charges for high CO2 producing vehicles, which make up a tiny percentage of our road's traffic, will stop global warming? People will still drive these vehicles no matter what the road tax is, and I also fail to understand how this is all due to a single gas. Cows emit a far larger quantity of CO2 than cars, perhaps we should start taxing the farmers?"

Hi Neg.Creep:

Are you talking about England? I'm glad you notice these things going on! Many people don't pay attention. So what do you want to do about this problem?

Hi Ajax:

You wrote:

"Okay, let's ignore Gore, all the politicians and the minority scientists. I bet at least 90% of scientists are worried about global warming and don't agree with the statements on the video.

My thrift, Harvard, was that by the time we have found irrefutable evidence of GW, it may already have become an unstoppable force.

And please remember not all socialists are environmentalists and not all environmentalists are socialists. Also, we seem to be talking about Socialism as if it is evil and odd. But I live in an admittedly mildly socialistic Britain where we're not allowed guns or smoking in public places, and it's just fine."

Ajax, I think the real truth will come out on it's own. The point I make is not to make a panic and try to force legislation as a direct result of people's panic. I think it's a matter of common sense as far as waiting for scientists. You decide, just don't let the media and pressure groups decide for you.

[Harvard]

Hi Renrich

You wrote:

"Flyboy, used to live in Crested Butte, reputedly the most liberal ski-town in the US. Of course I had many enemies there which wasn't helped by the fact I worked for the ski resort. Anyway I had occasion to go to Boulder often on business and also a girlfriend there and I always said that Boulder is a big Crested Butte. Well, try this one, Austin is a big Boulder. Same kind of people and same politics and of course the state university."

Interesting, how did you create these enemies? When did the liberals get nasty with you? Was it after they found out you were conservative?

You wrote:
"Does anyone believe that two of the most populous countries in the world and two of the largest contributers of CO2, China and India are going to throttle back their economies. And how come you don't see the Gore bunch clamoring for low polluting nuclear power plants to be built here."


You've called his bluff. I'm glad you brought this up. Now you recognize the hypocrisy here. Let's start w/ Gore, he's a conman. He wants everyone to reduce their use of so called "greenhouse gasses". However did you hear what his electrical bill is? $30,000/yr! Some watchdogs got a hold of his electrical bill. He pays monthly, what everybody else pays in a year.

Now you see through the smoke and mirrors. Gore is actually using so called "GW" as a gig to make money for himself. This is why he has cut India, China and himself out of the equation. Don't forget too that Gore claims to have invented the internet too.

As to why he doesn't promote nuclear power, keep this in mind: Gore, Pelosi, Harry Reid, and others are liberals first! Everything else, including the truth take second place. So Gore wants to promote himself first, and then democratic party next. Then the truth and logic are last. Now you see it!