Global Warming: The New Religion

[renrich]

Harvard, of course you are right about Gore and his bunch wanting power above all. Another revelation I have stumbled on recently is that the left believes that they, the elite, can and should control everything and the rest of us slobs don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain. Of course, we have seen how successful countries have been where the government controls all.

[Njaco]

...is that the left believes that they, the elite, can and should control everything and the rest of us slobs don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain.

That is the whole philosophy of the Democratic party. And the major difference between the parties. Conservatives believe that each person can do well for themselves without gov. help outside of defense and liberals believe we're all too stupid to survive so the gov will do it for us. Thats why they push GW so much. Its another example of we'll take care of you.

GW is inevitable, natural, irreversable and man plays a small role in accelerating the process. But they want you to believe they have the answers, they'll stick us in flats using public transportation, eating non trans fat, MSG-less, chloestrol less plant roots and for all this we'll work and give them our money because we should be grateful.

GW is here, for real and I will do my small part not to contribute but don't tell me that anything we do will stop it, reverse it or eradicate it.

[renrich]

Njacko, you hit the nail on the head. What the elitist left has never understood is that no matter how smart they may or may not be they cannot control human nature and our pitiful attempts to control nature itself have all failed. An example is Katrina. In spite of all the technology we have in predicting hurricanes and in building levees, along comes a monster and some people don't make an effort to get out of the way and a levee breaks and some people drown and a lot of property is destroyed. Somebody has to get blamed because the left believes that all can be controlled so FEMA is to blame for people's suffering and since Bush is president, it is his fault. Fits in with their political agenda too. They never stop to think that if government had not subsidized many of those people in NO, some would have had the gumption to listen to the warnings and get the heck out.

[pbfoot]

Sorry guys it just baffles me how polarized US politics are .From the outside looking in there little if any difference in the parties both would be described as right wing by just about anybody from outside. You guys in Europe should be happy
I now have a whole year and half of listening to soundbites of cookiecutter politicians begging for your vote

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Sorry guys it just baffles me how polarized US politics are .From the outside looking in there little if any difference in the parties both would be described as right wing by just about anybody from outside.

Even though you get US TV and news, I don't think many Canadians read or hear about some of the candidates voting records. Some like Hilliary Clinton and Obama would fit in real well in the NDP.

[Njaco]

...along comes a monster and some people don't make an effort to get out of the way and a levee breaks and some people drown and a lot of property is destroyed. Somebody has to get blamed because the left believes that all can be controlled so FEMA is to blame for people's suffering and since Bush is president, it is his fault. Fits in with their political agenda too. They never stop to think that if government had not subsidized many of those people in NO, some would have had the gumption to listen to the warnings and get the heck out.

You forgot that the geologists or whoever is responsible did a Cat 5 Hurricane simulation ONE year before and showed they weren't ready. Nobody listened.

Pb, not having been but to a total of 5 states and no foreign countries in my life I can only guess how most foreigners to our wonderful abode scratch their heads at us. Of course there are gems. Just saw Chavez on TV and the riots he causing in Venezuala. Makes you wanna go "hmmmm." And sorry about the wonderful, informative, interesting,better than watching grass grow infomercials we'll subject you until Nov 08.

[Harvard]

PBfoot wrote:

"Sorry guys it just baffles me how polarized US politics are .From the outside looking in there little if any difference in the parties both would be described as right wing by just about anybody from outside. You guys in Europe should be happy."

I don't get it PBFoot; how can you describe liberal as right wing? Do you know the definitions of both? Can you post what you think that def'n is, so we can see where exactly you stand?

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Even though you get US TV and news, I don't think many Canadians read or hear about some of the candidates voting records. Some like Hilliary Clinton and Obama would fit in real well in the NDP.

Our conservative government is still to the left of your options.
And Njaco I can almost throw a rock at the US I'm so close and get all the same media you guys do plus ours about the only thing different is accents and money . Some of your laws are better (death penalty) and some worse . Our taxes are a little higher but not all that much. And our beer is better

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Our conservative government is still to the left of your options.

True...

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Our taxes are a little higher but not all that much.

When I was there in the 1980s I went from an 18% income tax bracket to almost a 52% bracket while in Quebec (My company artificially inflated my gross pay so my take home pay would be the same as if I was still in California. While in Ontario it went down to 38% Canadian income taxes are way higher.

Originally Posted by pbfoot

And our beer is better

Definitely True!!!!!!!

[Harvard]

Hi PBFOOT:

You wrote:

"Our conservative government is still to the left of your options."

Canada certainly has it's own culture, and I like it. Culture certainly isn't the same as liberal policies in gov't. Are you left wing? Can you tell us the advantage of being on the left. Flyboy just mentioned that your taxes are 52% in Quebec, and 18% here for the same pay amount. Is there an an advantage in that?

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Harvard

Hi PBFOOT:

You wrote:

"Our conservative government is still to the left of your options."

Canada certainly has it's own culture, and I like it. Culture certainly isn't the same as liberal policies in gov't. Are you left wing? Can you tell us the advantage of being on the left. Flyboy just mentioned that your taxes are 52% in Quebec, and 18% here for the same pay amount. Is there an an advantage in that?

I am about as far left as you can go in Canada but to you Iwould be a Stalinist. They say once we finished paying off the conversion to update us from the 22hr day to the 24hr day taxes should drop .

[Harvard]

Hi PBFOOT:

So what benefit do you get in being a liberal? How do you define liberalism?

[pbfoot]

That should have read about as far right as possible but still left to you . How can you say liberals waste tax money when the US is piling up a massive debt by the second borrowing heavily from foreign banks your going to have to pay that debt somehow and it ain't gonna be the tooth fairy putting money under your pillow .your taxes or somebuddies will have to go up to pay . We've had 12 sucessive surpluses in our budget and one of the lowest debt loads per capita in the industrialized world

[Njaco]

Not knowing how other governments work up close and personal, I can only guess what we look like from the outside. And sometimes the lines can be blurred. Biggest thing I laugh at is how the liberals say conservatives are for the rich. This out of the mouths of Ted Kennedy, Robert Bryd and our own fine billionaire Gov. Jon Corzine of NJ. Sheesh!

How can you say liberals waste tax money....

Because its the programs the liberals have instituted that cost. Welfare, NAFTA, Unemployment, etc. All these programs that perpetuate themselves is killing the budget. Money to save the owl, save open space, save the drug addict, everybody can get married, new emission regs for autos, businesses, home. Everything MUST be gov controlled to be the best including GW. Next I'm gonna need a permit just to fart.

But this is just what I see and I can't compare to other countries. I envy you, Pb, for the surpluses and low debt. Must be nice.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

That should have read about as far right as possible but still left to you . How can you say liberals waste tax money when the US is piling up a massive debt by the second borrowing heavily from foreign banks your going to have to pay that debt somehow and it ain't gonna be the tooth fairy putting money under your pillow .your taxes or somebuddies will have to go up to pay . We've had 12 sucessive surpluses in our budget and one of the lowest debt loads per capita in the industrialized world

Even though we no longer have a surplus, our NGP is well over 3%, one of the top in the industrialized world, that equates to Trillions of dollars. That fact erases the need for raising taxes on the general population unless the elected politicians decide to do so and they do it under the guise of "taxing the rich." In this country liberals attempt to spend money on everything from misguided social programs to wasteful environmental programs. Our economic system generates grows and continues to do so. The debt doesn't bother me, borrowing from banks (and your example of foreign banks is an exaggeration) actually stimulates the economy. You may have low debt, but some of your provinces have some of the highest income taxes in North America.